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#353888 - 08/01/07 06:02 PM Multiple attackers - how it really is
MattJ Offline
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You get stomped. End of story. I have seen it happen in real life, just like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1xhJzHK4sE
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#353889 - 08/01/07 06:12 PM Re: Mulitple attackers - how it really is [Re: MattJ]
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EXACTLY! Empty hand martial arts won't help you much there.


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#353890 - 08/01/07 06:25 PM Re: Mulitple attackers - how it really is [Re: JKogas]
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Seen it, I lived it back in 1989 ... though it sure wasn't that many attackers. Broken nose (later had surgery), two black eyes, stitches above one eye plus bruises on my back and chest from receiving the boots. Not a pleasant feeling nor having to live with the pains the follow days and weeks. Nothing like coming into work all battered up. The thing is if I had just gone to the lake with my girlfriend (now wife) and her family, this could have all been avoided.
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#353891 - 08/01/07 06:37 PM Re: Mulitple attackers - how it really is [Re: JKogas]
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Wouldnt like to be kicked out of that gang. My advice would be stay away from large groups of people, that look mean.
In movies the fighting with multiple attackers isnt realistic. They come one on one in movies; like in this youtube video, they come in a group in different directions. Big difference.

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#353892 - 08/01/07 07:17 PM Re: Mulitple attackers - how it really is [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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Lol, Ive always been told if in that situation to try and grab someones ankle and roll, taking them down and breaking their ankle. The supposedly it would scare all the toehr attackers away. Realistically, would that work?
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#353893 - 08/01/07 08:09 PM Re: Mulitple attackers - how it really is [Re: Gothrocker]
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In a frenzie like that, they prolly wouldn't even notice; especially with so many. If they did, it would give them cause to do you more damage. But, I say take a few to hell with you if you can .
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#353894 - 08/01/07 10:17 PM Re: Mulitple attackers - how it really is [Re: JMWcorwin]
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Yeah I wouldnt go without a fight. "Never surrender" King Leonidas 300

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#353895 - 08/01/07 11:35 PM Re: Mulitple attackers - how it really is [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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If I've learned anything in the last 45 years of training, it's that you don't know what you'll do until you're in the middle of it with something like this. If you've got something that's good for a crowd of 45 or 50 people, then how often do you practice it?

My system teaches to stay standing as long as possible, moving other people between you and the crowd as you can. When you go down, stay as high as you can. If you're kneeling, you're right at groin level, and you can do some serious damage punching and head-butting people in the groin, so even if you're outnumbered, you can inflict some damage of your own. Punches to Liver9 do a lot to drop people out of the circus as well.

Gang mentality is usually that they are comfortable beating the $*** out of somebody as long as the "hitters" aren't getting dropped... but when they start falling, and get taken out, they tend to back off a bit... which gives you some time... to either escape or take your pick of the "leaders" in the crowd.

That being said, I still say you won't know what to do until you're caught up in the situation, and then you'll be "flying by the seat of your pants" until you either get beat unconcious, they stop, or you fight your way out... which ain't likely, considering there were so many in that group. Hard to train against that kind of a crowd.

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#353896 - 08/02/07 04:54 AM Re: Mulitple attackers - how it really is [Re: wristtwister]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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This is the number one reason why the best self defense strategy always begins with the aim of avoidance and ends with the aim of escaping the scene of violence. Training with the delusion that you can somehow defeat multiple attackers is just naive. The best strategy is to train to escape to safety or, better yet, avoid the whole scenario entirely.

I've got a whole load of people I've got to show this video to. Problem is they'll probably get very angry at me for showing it to them and threatening to shatter their rose-tinted view of reality. They'll probably not pay any attention to it even if I did get a chance to show them.


Edited by Leo_E_49 (08/02/07 04:59 AM)
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#353897 - 08/02/07 06:33 AM Re: Mulitple attackers - how it really is [Re: Leo_E_49]
CVV Offline
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Avoiding the scenario is sometimes not an option.
In a one versus many confrontation it is best to escape.

In biker clubs or close friendships/gangs, mentality is if you attack one, you attack all. So then you have many versus many. Best strategy is keep standing and try to keep together with your bunch. But those fights are very chaotic. You can be in advantage with one but already being attacked from the rear by another. So best is not to focus all the time on one. If the threath is less let him escape. And focus on others. But one thing is sure. You will get your share of the beatings. The ones who get dropped, usually get the most beating (kicking). Make sure you do not get isolated from the rest of your bunch.
Coordination towards the same point of attack is good strategy to not get isolated, but when you are on the losing side you must decide at what point you escape and maybe let friends down ....
Attacking the leaders can be good if you know them but better is to attack towards the same point imo.

The few times I've been in that situation ended in draw and one loss (me against 2). Apart from bruises and black eye I was pretty OK. But I have seen people with their theeth kicked out and broken jaw. When you get down protect your face and testicles and roll yourselve like a ball. Try to get up and away. Sometimes you can attack your opponents knees/anckles or testicles. If you are able to drop an opponent try to get up immeadiatly from his side.

Fear plays a dominant role here. Especially just before it starts.

I have only been involved in fist fights and the last one was 2 years ago. If somebody pulls a knife in those situations ..... This would be my biggest fear.
So best, when you get the overhand is let them get away.
If you are loosing, hope they let you get away and hope your buddies come for help.

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