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#352934 - 07/25/07 08:14 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
crablord Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
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maybe their trying to save you from yourself

im in the opposite situation
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#352935 - 07/25/07 08:22 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
jpoor Offline
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For me, just being left alone with out people trying to pry their way into your life and making you feel guilty over just trying to be left alone would be a miracle.
That's all I want, to be left alone but for some reason people always show up wanting to know how I am, what I'm doing or they try to involve themselves in my personal life with no possible benefit to themselves, even after enough hints they still try it.

What does it take for a person to be alone in the world? I don't want to personally socialize with anyone right now, I just want to live as the faceless person nobody remembers for now, I don't get what it is about me that makes people want to try and get involved with me.
E-mails, texts, phone calls, letters, word of mouth.
It's ridiculous that a person who wants solitude should have to put up with this.
I have no amazing qualities, I'm not particularly fond of meeting people and I keep myself to myself, what's going on?





And yet, here you are
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#352936 - 07/25/07 10:42 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: jpoor]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


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I'm talking about my personal life, not my internet life
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#352937 - 07/25/07 10:54 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
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I think 'miracles' only exist in one's perception. For example, I've been through some events (car crashes, attempted murder, etc.) and never considered them as miracles. However, watching an animal die on the road, or while hunting, or giving birth to one's kids...one becomes 'mindful in the moment' and hyperaware of the fragility of existance. It's part of a continuum of hyperawareness where everything appears to be 'special...just as it is'.

Insisting that laws of physics be broken to qualify as 'real miracles' totally undermines the availability of everyman experiencing them.

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#352938 - 07/25/07 11:17 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
harlan Offline
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I think 'miracles' only exist in one's perception. For example, I've been through some events (car crashes, attempted murder, etc.) and never considered them as miracles. However, watching an animal die on the road, or while hunting, or giving birth to one's kids...one becomes 'mindful in the moment' and hyperaware of existance. Along a continuum of hyperawareness where everything appears to be 'special...just as it is'. Insisting that laws of physics be broken to qualify as 'real miracles' totally undermines the availability of everyman experiencing them.

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#352939 - 07/25/07 11:22 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: Al_Fernz]
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Taison,

I agree with the special one here.

I know it's semantice, but miracles are not everyday events.

I also know you are passionate about your views and when life is hard the little things that come along are great.

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#352940 - 07/25/07 12:36 PM Re: A Miracle [Re: crablord]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


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im in the opposite situation




You mean you won't leave them alone? or they try to get away from you?
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#352941 - 07/25/07 07:03 PM Re: A Miracle [Re: BrianS]
Ames Offline
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From the Free Dictionary:
(http://www.thefreedictionary.com/miracle)

mir·a·cle(mr-kl)
n.
1. An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: "Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves" Katherine Anne Porter.
2. One that excites admiring awe.
3. A miracle play.

I think Taison and I are mostly talking about the second meaning of the word. I also think that we're taking this more from the Buddhist/Taoist Eastern perspective.


Edited by Ames (07/25/07 07:06 PM)

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#352942 - 07/26/07 12:46 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: Ames]
Taison Offline
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I also think that we're taking this more from the Buddhist/Taoist Eastern perspective.


You got a point there. I totally forgot that westerners take things a bit differently from easterners.

-Taison out
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#352943 - 07/26/07 02:10 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: Taison]
ButterflyPalm Offline
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Loc: Malaysia
Its like the word "awesome" and "cool" being spouted by people from age three and 'miraculously' stopped at age thirty. To be heard these days one needed to shout in someone's face and so verbal histrionics (a deliberate display of emotion for effect) are employed.

And so when we see a good performance of any kind, we cannot just say "good" anymore, we have to say 'that's awesome' Sadly the word "miracle" has found its way into the category of misused words. I can however see how a teenager in today's world who work and pay his own way through college with excellent grades at the end is certainly a miracle, what with all the attendant distractions to lead him/her astray, but is it miraculous?

Some people here are just being honestly etymological and has no wish to be insensitive by downgrading the examples you gave into mere events of extraordinary human achievements (which themselves must be seen within certain socio-cultural context to be meaningful as what is "extraordinary" in a third world country may just be mundane elsewhere)

Not too long ago an aeroplane was considered a miracle, in fact I still do when I wondered how a 20 tonne object can fly faster than the speed of sound, both of which I (a miracle of creation) could neither lift nor beat.
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