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#352924 - 07/24/07 05:50 PM Re: A Miracle [Re: Taison]
jpoor Offline
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Registered: 04/11/07
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I can see many of the points in the OP fitting definitions 3&4. I'm betting our challenger is more in favor of 1&2 (probably 2) or just looking or a spat.

I have to admit though, I did think many times as I read "miracle? no, not really." Thankfully, I took a second to realize that it's not my point of view that counts.

Lesson to the challenger: When you start bantering about the "definition" of a word, someone will whip out a dictionary and prove themselves right


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#352925 - 07/24/07 06:09 PM Re: A Miracle [Re: Taison]
Al_Fernz Offline
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Take it, leave it or secret option number 3- criticize it.

"Here's my definition;"
Or dictionary.com's.

Defining VERY mundane things like eating toast as a miracle trivializes the impact of the word.

Definition of the word is open to interpretation. If you want use the word to describe eating toast, people managing just to get by with tight resources and women not having abortions, fair enough. Don't expect people to stand by not to say these are regular occurances. For me they are. Therefore, not provoking wonder. So when I hear someone calling them miracles I'll say they're wrong.

As stated I'm not saying they're not commendable or shouldn't be appreciated but describing them as miracles is OTT.

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#352926 - 07/24/07 06:25 PM Re: A Miracle [Re: Al_Fernz]
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I think your post Taison was nice and very up lifting. For people to overcome road blocks in life and to rise above them is very commendable and should set an example for the many out there that lose those battles as they see them as not winnable. However I agree with The_Special_One, I would not consider these miracles, or at least not the word miracle in the sense that I've grown to associate the word to; miracle = miraculous = supernatural.

I'm sure if we looked at the actually meaning of this word it would most certainly encompass what you consider as a miracle so I would not argue that they are not miracles to others, it is rather just a word association.
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#352927 - 07/24/07 08:12 PM Re: A Miracle [Re: Dereck]
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The human body itself is a miracle.

Waking up and breathing everyday is a miracle.

This awesome planet we live on is a miracle.

So i guess that makes everything that happens inside of this place called earth is therefore a miricale.
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#352928 - 07/24/07 10:20 PM Re: A Miracle [Re: Al_Fernz]
Ames Offline
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Life is a miracle. Life is a miracle in every breath you take. It's a miracle when the man who gets shot in the head and lives and it's a miracle when I eat a good apple. If you can't see the miracle in the mundane, then fair enough, but some of us beleive it's there.

==Chris


Edited by Ames (07/24/07 10:21 PM)
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#352929 - 07/24/07 11:37 PM Re: A Miracle [Re: Ames]
Taison Offline
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Ames, you're my man!

Special_One, by "my definition" I meant the definition that I use. Yes' it's from dictionary.com.

Gojuwarrior, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but yeah, you're right. The reason that this world was created is a miracle.
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#352930 - 07/25/07 04:40 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: Taison]
Al_Fernz Offline
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I appreciate the "stop and smell the roses" sentiment. Your optimism is a great, and the world is definitely a better place with more people like you.

My only problem is the clichéd phrasing taking the impact of the word away. This stems from my work in college. I'm writing a thesis on a famine. I'm reviewing the definition of the word "famine" at the moment. Overuse of this word in the 20th century cheapened it as a term, i.e describing food emergencies as famines. In modern days the word has lost a lot of its impact. So the public hear famine and the response is largely the same, regardless of whether its a few hundred in Malawi suffering or a few hundred thousand in Darfur.

I'm not looking to spark a debate about famines but parallels exist with the casual use of "miracle".

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#352931 - 07/25/07 07:45 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: Taison]
gojuwarrior1 Offline
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Registered: 12/24/02
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No sarcasim here brother, this planet just being here is a miricale, just look at all the planets surrounding us.....
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#352932 - 07/25/07 07:50 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: gojuwarrior1]
crablord Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 1530
Loc: Australia, QLD, GC
more of an impossibly minute series of chances than a miricle.
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#352933 - 07/25/07 08:09 AM Re: A Miracle [Re: crablord]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


Registered: 12/09/04
Posts: 1246
Loc: Oxford, England
For me, just being left alone with out people trying to pry their way into your life and making you feel guilty over just trying to be left alone would be a miracle.
That's all I want, to be left alone but for some reason people always show up wanting to know how I am, what I'm doing or they try to involve themselves in my personal life with no possible benefit to themselves, even after enough hints they still try it.

What does it take for a person to be alone in the world? I don't want to personally socialize with anyone right now, I just want to live as the faceless person nobody remembers for now, I don't get what it is about me that makes people want to try and get involved with me.
E-mails, texts, phone calls, letters, word of mouth.
It's ridiculous that a person who wants solitude should have to put up with this.
I have no amazing qualities, I'm not particularly fond of meeting people and I keep myself to myself, what's going on?
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