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#352389 - 07/22/07 07:57 PM Re: karate useless MA [Re: medulanet]
Kimo2007 Offline
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my point is that if you have no grappling skill then you will have a problem no matter what techniques are allowed to you.




Agreed and maybe I misundestood where you were going, my point is that MMA is not the test of a Martial Art, it may be "A" test of certain aspects sure.

Besides when in the real world am I going to let someone get ready before I try and hit them
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#352390 - 07/22/07 08:00 PM Re: karate useless MA [Re: JKogas]
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Bottom line folks, if you're not boxing and wrestling in your training (regardless of art), you're not training in my opinion.




I think you clarified when you mentioned style later in your post, but I would like this sentence a lot better if you said striking instead of boxing.

Small thing but I equate boxing with sport fighting and I don't apply striking in the same manner for self defense.
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#352391 - 07/22/07 08:09 PM Re: karate useless MA [Re: Kimo2007]
JKogas Offline
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Kimo -

I understand completely and by my statement (to clarify), I mean the "delivery system" of boxing and not necessarily the sport of boxing. I see them as being the same yet different obviously. We (the gym I run) practice what's been labeled as "dirty boxing" so it's DEFINITELY not the same ring sport (although I'm not downplaying any sport boxers in terms of ability either).

IMO, the delivery system of boxing can be used for jabbing the eyes, punching the throat, punching the groin, elbows, knees, grabbing the back of the neck and punching (illegal in "sport" boxing), etc.

We're on the same page Kimo.


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#352392 - 07/22/07 08:15 PM Re: karate useless MA [Re: Victor Smith]
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It is a very bad corruption of language to include the varions hand to hand disciplines as martial arts.




Victor, I couldn't agree more. I truly believe that most (if not all) martial arts now are really practiced as sports ie; with rules, one way or the other. I started a thread here a while back with the same idea:

http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...=9#Post15926430

I think that acknowledging that all of us really do combat sports, as opposed to martial arts, would foster much more understanding between styles.
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#352393 - 07/22/07 09:04 PM Re: karate useless MA [Re: MattJ]
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MattJ,
I think you've hit the nail on the head, but I would term them "combat arts" rather than sports... not all combat training has rules, so that's my take on what we do.

My rules are simple...
if you're within 500 yards... 300 Winchester Magnum
if you're within 100 yards... 7.62x39 SKS
if you're within 200 feet... .40 caliber pistol
if you're within 50 feet... 9x18 Makarov, .357 or .40 cal
after that... we fight... and I plan to hit you with whatever I have left... empty hand techniques are for when I run out of ammunition...

Start early enough, and the questions like this are moot...



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#352394 - 07/22/07 09:12 PM Re: karate useless MA [Re: Kimo2007]
Victor Smith Offline
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Kimo,

Communication is actually a channel issue. It has to go both ways to become more than noise.

Alfred Korzybski - General Semantics
1. The word is not the thing
2. The word is not all the thing
3. Words are self-reflexive.
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#352395 - 07/22/07 09:17 PM Re: karate useless MA [Re: wristtwister]
JKogas Offline
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Loc: North Carolina
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MattJ,
My rules are simple...
if you're within 500 yards... 300 Winchester Magnum
if you're within 100 yards... 7.62x39 SKS
if you're within 200 feet... .40 caliber pistol
if you're within 50 feet... 9x18 Makarov, .357 or .40 cal
after that... we fight... and I plan to hit you with whatever I have left... empty hand techniques are for when I run out of ammunition...

Start early enough, and the questions like this are moot...





Thats nice Grady. No need to train martial arts at ALL right?! There are certainly FAR easier ways of inflicting punishment. Definitely no strain on the bod THAT way....


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#352396 - 07/22/07 09:19 PM Re: karate useless MA [Re: JKogas]
wristtwister Offline
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Registered: 02/14/06
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Loc: South Carolina
Just keeping things in perspective, John...


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#352397 - 07/22/07 09:24 PM Re: karate useless MA [Re: wristtwister]
JKogas Offline
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I wonder about your perspective sometimes Grady.



-John

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#352398 - 07/22/07 11:11 PM Re: karate useless MA [Re: Victor Smith]
harlan Offline
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Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6665
Loc: Amherst, MA
Someone else that has read Korzybski.

Quote:

Alfred Korzybski - General Semantics
1. The word is not the thing
2. The word is not all the thing
3. Words are self-reflexive.



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