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#351743 - 07/17/07 11:43 AM Re: Don't defend yourself [Re: jpoor]
hedkikr Offline
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Registered: 02/28/05
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One other point I got out of this (beyond the obvious miscarriage of justice)...

The college guy wasn't arrested despite having attacked the cop. He was let go only to be picked-up another day for a DUI. That tells me that @ any time, he could have killed someone else on the road & it was only luck that he didn't. If they had arrested the college guy, he wouldn't have been a potential killer behind the wheel.

Iowa cops' bad judgment. I bet if any one of them had been in the Mette's situation, they would have done the same thing.

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#351744 - 07/17/07 12:41 PM Re: Don't defend yourself [Re: MattJ]
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"Mr. Gothard received, as I recall, numerous cuts, abrasion bruises, head/brain bleeds,"




So is his head bleeding, or his brain? A surface wound to the scalp is nothing, even if it bleeds like crazy. I'm thinking he probably got the abrasions when he fell down in a soggy lump after the officer knocked him over.

This kind of crap over a fist scrap is what gets people shot. When cops are denied the ability to use low level physical force they lose the ability to restrain suspects effectively. Big city departments with enormous internal affairs boards and bleeding heart lobbying groups suck. Where I live, you give a cop that kind of crap, you get pimp slapped.

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#351745 - 07/17/07 12:45 PM Re: Don't defend yourself [Re: jpoor]
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One thing that doesn't jive well though is the refernce to ...Several cuts bleeds/brain bleeds... I don't think you get that from one KO punch. It could be sensationalism of the side of the judge.

As in most strikes that deck a guy, more damage is done when he hits the ground then generally from the punch. I think that Officer Mette is a victim here. He a victim of this attack (theres no way that he provoked this he ran from the guy) and his training he is not taught to back down.

He was at the party with his kid brother as a champerion or personal bodyguard, whatever this USA, he is free to escort and protect his family members and their property. He took all the proper evasive actions to tharwt teh attack, once he reach his domains or familes it time to defend.

In uniform on duty he would have arrested that kid, you are taught that you are a cop 24-7. He assaulted a person that happened to be a Cop, the college prep, order sh%$%, and he eat it.

The Judge's decision was Dead wrong. In the appeal, I bet the Cop gets reinstated with back pay.
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#351746 - 07/17/07 01:20 PM Re: Don't defend yourself [Re: Downsin]
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How about you get educated and stop typing like an eight year old WoW addict?

So far what you've said is pretty much pointless.

25 year old kid? That's hardly a kid.

Pushing people to the ground? NEWSFLASH: IT DOESN'T WORK, OR WE'D ALL INCORPORATE IT INTO OUR CURRICULUM.

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police will break it up then let you get on your way


Where do you live? Outland? Azeroth? Because your spelling looks like it.

-Taison out
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#351747 - 07/17/07 03:09 PM Re: Don't defend yourself [Re: Neko456]
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Quote:

One thing that doesn't jive well though is the refernce to ...Several cuts bleeds/brain bleeds... I don't think you get that from one KO punch. It could be sensationalism of the side of the judge.

As in most strikes that deck a guy, more damage is done when he hits the ground then generally from the punch. I think that Officer Mette is a victim here. He a victim of this attack (theres no way that he provoked this he ran from the guy) and his training he is not taught to back down.

He was at the party with his kid brother as a champerion or personal bodyguard, whatever this USA, he is free to escort and protect his family members and their property. He took all the proper evasive actions to tharwt teh attack, once he reach his domains or familes it time to defend.

In uniform on duty he would have arrested that kid, you are taught that you are a cop 24-7. He assaulted a person that happened to be a Cop, the college prep, order sh%$%, and he eat it.

The Judge's decision was Dead wrong. In the appeal, I bet the Cop gets reinstated with back pay.





I agree that he got the bad end of the deal. I hope he'll be reinstated with back pay as well. However, the cop 24x7 analogy applies both ways. If you think about it, he _should_ have arrested the underage drinkers and those that were providing the drink as well. He's a cop 24x7 after all.

Still, I'm betting we don't know the whole story.

Edit: Oh, and if someone really wanted to be an a$$ about it (hope not) I'm sure there are ethics standards that he has to conform to even off duty. Those would likely include prohibitions on being involved in a party where there was underage drinking involved. Bad judgment for sure.


Edited by jpoor (07/17/07 03:11 PM)
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#351748 - 07/17/07 03:12 PM Re: Don't defend yourself [Re: jpoor]
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I've never understood this cop thing.

If I was a policeman, I'd arrest any offenders be it on duty or off. I am after all a policeman. If I'm chasing this criminal, and suddenly it's the end of my shift, do I stop pursuing him and just return back to HQ and clock myself out?

Police should have the ability to arrest offenders 24/7.

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#351749 - 07/17/07 03:17 PM Re: Don't defend yourself [Re: Taison]
jpoor Offline
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In the US they do have the authority to arrest even off duty. But then again so do average citizens.
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#351750 - 07/17/07 04:37 PM Re: Don't defend yourself [Re: jpoor]
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I advocate the Blitzkrieg method.. Drop the Basdard, take his wallet (so you know where he lives) and go.
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#351751 - 07/17/07 05:04 PM Re: Don't defend yourself [Re: jpoor]
Neko456 Offline
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Loc: Midwest City, Ok, USA
Being a Cop 24/7 is something you have to work out. You can't make a arrest for ever viloation that happens around you on duty or off. But espeically off duty not only are you at risk, you boarden the gap of trust around you. If you are such a do gooder that everbody fears your wrath, who do you think will want to be around you. And how can they ever trust you, to tell you a real crime happened. And yes Crimes against persons, and felonies rate higher then throwing beer cans out a motor vehicle or pissing in the street. All are violation but you have to be tacticful and human also. And not bring fire on yourself, police officers are killed more ofetn then not off duty working Security at Apartment complex domestics, Lone Construction sites, Banks and Liquor stores. Usually without their most valuable equipment the radio to call for backup. Imagine how paranoid they be busting everybody for everything. Man they barely can trust anybody unlesss in the same uniform now.

Ethics are just that, few of us can hardly standup to them 24/7hrs in a day.

Bottom line any adult should be able to escort a family member to a party and home, wheather drinking is invovled or not. He did nothing wrong except not meet the ethical standards of some Judge that probably never been attacked on the street.


Edited by Neko456 (07/17/07 05:09 PM)
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#351752 - 07/17/07 05:15 PM Re: Don't defend yourself [Re: Neko456]
jpoor Offline
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I agree you have to choose your battles. But you also have to choose the situations you put yourself in. It's amazing how many time people on here have told others that the best way to avoid conflict is to avoid places where conflict is likely. The same thing applies here.
The only difference is that we feel that this guy got the shaft. So in defending him, there is a tendency to condone all his actions and judgments when, in other instances those same actions would have elicited a "he should have known better" response. (not really speaking of anyone specific here, just generalities)

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Bottom line any adult should be able to escort a family member to a party and home, wheather drinking is invovled or not. He did nothing wrong except not meet the ethical standards of some Judge that probably never been attacked on the street.




Not just drinking, but underage (read illegal) drinking.
Again, choose your battles is good advice, but there is a difference between passing by the litterbug (or pick your minor infraction) and actually attending an event where (a) there is underage drinking and (b) there is a higher likelihood of trouble.

Again, just to be clear. Given the story (facts?) provided, I think the guy got a bad deal. I also think he showed poor judgment by being there.
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