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#351619 - 07/16/07 06:51 PM Underestimating Front Choke
WhiteDragon11 Offline

Registered: 05/02/07
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Loc: Florida, United States
Hey guys,

I am kind of confused. I always find myself thinking being choked from the front would not be hard to get out of. I have self defense techniques to get out of it, but I feel I wouldnt need them. Am I wrong to think that having both hands free from a front choke would make things extremely simple? I believe having my arms and legs open and having his body in front of me would make getting out of it simple.

And comments and explanations would be nice. Thanks.

#351620 - 07/16/07 07:10 PM Re: Underestimating Front Choke [Re: WhiteDragon11]
JKogas Offline

Registered: 01/25/03
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I think that its possible that you could be "out" before you're even aware of what's happening.

Depends on who's doing the choking and other factors. Bottom line, learn practicable defenses to chokes.


#351621 - 07/16/07 08:11 PM Re: Underestimating Front Choke [Re: JKogas]
WhiteDragon11 Offline

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Yeah I have learned a couple for that specific choke, and strangles. I just think if I know whats going on and they are in front of me I can punch them out, knee them, get out of it pretty easily

#351622 - 07/16/07 08:48 PM Re: Underestimating Front Choke [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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As John said, it depends on who is choking, and what the environment is like. A really strong guy can put a hard choke on you very quickly - even more so if he gets you on the ground. I am assuming we are talking about the standard two handed wind-pipe choke.

If you are standing, and you can keep from getting your back against a wall, getting out is much easier.
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#351623 - 07/16/07 08:52 PM Re: Underestimating Front Choke [Re: MattJ]
WhiteDragon11 Offline

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Yeah I mean the 2 handed choke. I dont have a defense against a wall so I would think a knee to the groin would be more useful there. And palm hand to the nose maybe.

But true a strong guy could take my breathe away quickly

#351624 - 07/16/07 09:05 PM Re: Underestimating Front Choke [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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As was said, it depends on who is doing the choking. Don't forget it isn't just the sqeezing around your throat, it's the thumbs being pushed in to crush your wind pipe. So the bottem line is, react quickly since you may only have a few seconds to defend yourself.
If your in a "Fair Fight", your tactics suck.

#351625 - 07/16/07 09:29 PM Re: Underestimating Front Choke [Re: Dedicated1]
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#351626 - 07/17/07 10:31 AM Re: Underestimating Front Choke [Re: WhiteDragon11]
Joss Offline

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"But true a strong guy could take my breathe away quickly"

I'll try not to read too much into that sentence.

#351627 - 07/17/07 10:50 AM Re: Underestimating Front Choke [Re: WhiteDragon11]
Neko456 Offline
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Registered: 01/18/05
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The 25acp of the tussleing world, I compare the two because they are thought of as puny attacks and easy to survive, but they amount for a fair amount of street kills.

A Real two hand Front Choke can be a skilled neck snap, or a vicious crazed attack, lifting your body off the ground or forcing you to the ground. We train in the begining as a basic principle (with multiple counter moves to the attacker being on the ground) that grows into various (if that don't work) counter drills. At the intermediate/advance level its trained with vicious realism. We train it at four ranges "Instants before the grasp", "The Grasp before the arms bend", "The Grasp at full choke, armed bent" and the SOL "Choke mounted". The counters are full intent and as vicious as the attack, I train this as attempt upon your LIFE. This may shock some but we trained the SOL choke with deadly force attempts. Double thumbs into the eyes or if you followed the class be prepared strategy. Get your knife out and stab him in the temple, cut his arm joint, stab/slash under his armpit and then cut hsi jugglar with the blade bc you are SOL.

This is an attack of a Desperate, or skilled or Crazy person, it is an attempt on your life.

I had a begining (really smart academicaly) 13 yr.old kid 8th kyu ask, "why train to defend a 2 hand front choke?" I told him "you will more likely have to defending against a 2hfc then a flying side kick on the street." Trust me this is vital, if or when you need it.

#351628 - 07/17/07 01:26 PM Re: Underestimating Front Choke [Re: Neko456]
Joss Offline

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That's an eye-opener, Neko. We had not regarded it that seriously. That will have to change, obviously.

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