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#351118 - 07/12/07 10:40 AM a definition of budo
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"budo is about learning to die"

this one has been on my mind constantly, any thoughts?
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#351119 - 07/12/07 11:28 AM Re: a definition of budo [Re: student_of_life]
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one cannot learn to die, one can only learn to accept death as a natural part of life.
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#351120 - 07/12/07 12:14 PM Re: a definition of budo [Re: freedom_warrior]
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its been a while since i posted, i forgot how every thing ahs to be worded just so,lol.

well then, budo is preperation for death?
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#351121 - 07/12/07 12:25 PM Re: a definition of budo [Re: student_of_life]
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Since our natural instinct is to survive, it is very difficult to completely come to terms with the fact that we are going to die without fearing it. So many people say they aren't afraid to die, but they really are. I've done many hours of meditation on this subject and I still fear it. This anxiety however has decreased substantially over the years and I believe that when it does happen I'll be that bit more prepared and it will pass easier.
Its kind of like the way of the warrior. To be willing to lay down your life if necessary is the optimum fighting spirit.
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#351122 - 07/12/07 12:28 PM Re: a definition of budo [Re: jkdwarrior]
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i think budo is about adapting but in a way i think it is about accepting that death will come so yeah in a way budo is preperation for death
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#351123 - 07/21/07 12:05 PM Re: a definition of budo [Re: freedom_warrior]
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This distasteful idea is from a bygone era where political masters purely for self-preservation and or political objectives brainwashed their glorified bodyguards (aka samurais) into thinking that death in battle (especially in the defence of the master himself) is of the highest honour attainable.

The warrior -- "Bushi" -- did not die for himself or for any high moral principle -- "Budo" -- he died for his master and only his master; "Budo" was there to make it palatable, both for the pitiful Bushis and his family.

This same idea was drumed into those pitiful kamikazi pilots of WWII and now we see the same thing being used in the religious indoctrination of suicide bombers.

Everything except the packaging remains the same.

You are born to live! Death is but a negation of Life, not its objective.
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#351124 - 07/21/07 03:08 PM Re: a definition of budo [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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good point, death for a master who is not deserving of the service is a sad idea. a way to use people, keep them ingorant and keep their minds busy, then their "masters" would be free to do damn near anything, only having to but yank the chain to get things done.

we see the same thing almost every where as well. every thing form the amercian dream, to death in service, to having multiple wives, so subserveant indivuadls in any relationship. without debating thses spefic topics, cause we'd get locked, i agree that the theme is a prety sad one.

i've always had second thoughts when i read about the saumrai living to serve like that. a kind of "i don't think so tim" kind of feeling.

the budo im talking about is different then dieing for anyone like that. i guess im trying to work out a kind of personal budo. more like a lack of dependance on anything, getting to the root of wants and "needs",and forcing myself out of safety zones and unproductive circular thinking. it feelslike a constant kind of race to keep your head out of the sand to see for your self what the real colour of things is. instead of having to take any one's word for it. and not falling into a "im sure their telling me the truth" frame of mind, indulging in a false sense of safety.

like i should only have to see the sun rise once to know how beautiful it is. if while it was rising i was thinking about what happened yesterday, or what i was going to do today, i would miss it, and if i died before the next sunrise, i would always regret not being clear minded enough to just sit there and take it all in.

being ready for death is being completly in what im doing now, don't regret the las second, don't worry about the next.

thoughts? tips? pointers?
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#351125 - 07/21/07 10:16 PM Re: a definition of budo [Re: student_of_life]
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In Bushido, the way of the warrior is the resolute acceptance of death. When death comes, it is "your time", and it should, as the poem "Thanatopsis" says be greeted as welcome, and not feared.

http://www.bartleby.com/102/16.html


You have to have an understanding of the society where Budo and Bushido come from, and it was a feudal society. Above all other things, loyalty to your "Lord" was demanded and expected, and "above all things, loyalty" was the code of the Samurai. The clans of Japan each had leaders and Lords that ruled over them, and the order of the society was kept by the Samurai and their brutally strict laws.

As Western influences drew Japan away from the feudal social structure, the foundations of Budo were shaken, and much of its essence was lost. Nitobe's book on Bushido, and the Hakagure (rules for the Samurai) give you a clear insight into exactly what was expected of warriors, and a good understanding of how Samurai were to conduct themselves.

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#351126 - 07/21/07 10:42 PM Re: a definition of budo [Re: wristtwister]
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I think people are confusing Budo and Bushido. Maybe they represent the same thing to some people...in my understanding, "Budo" means "martial way". It is the word they use to describe the actual martial arts as a whole (especially the homogenized versions compiled from the various "jutsu" developed during the feudal period); kendo, iaido, judo, naginatado, kyudo, etc.
"Bushido" is the Way of the Warrior, the code developed for the samurai to follow, including absolute loyalty to one's lord and willingness to die. Practicing Budo would be a part of Bushido, but following Bushido may not necessarily have to be a part of Budo. To some, I'm sure the two are inextricable, but in modern times especially I think "bushido" is pretty much extinct.

However, being able to eschew the fear of death is an excellent goal, and practicing martial arts is one thing that can lead in that direction. This does not mean you want to die, but that you move forward without hesitation when you need to. When it is time to act, you act without regret. When it is time to stay still, you stay still without doubt. Doing what is natural, without over-thinking and analyzing everything...being in touch with the Tao.

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#351127 - 07/22/07 12:17 AM Re: a definition of budo [Re: wristtwister]
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that was a very sobering poem wristtwiser, thanks for sharing it.
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