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#350565 - 01/02/08 10:41 AM Re: Human Weapon Series [Re: IExcalibui2]
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did anyone see the TKD episode??
something I noticed is that they like encorporating arts into an episode that arent the same art. For example, Hwa Rang Do. I definitely think that this art and TKD are separate and different. Tae Kyon, I can understand a little because it has many kicks and such which could have influenced the development of TKD, but whats Hwa Rang Do have to do with it?




The impression I got was that they were using the term TKD as an umbrella name for KMA (striking) & that it had evolved into a martial sport. So by looking at both TaeKyon & HwrangDo they were giving some historical background info. I was very disappointed with the contents of the show.

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#350566 - 01/02/08 10:49 AM Re: Human Weapon Series [Re: VDJ]
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Their history is off due to the huge amount of politics that surround TKD. There was no mention of General Choi or the ITF (which was not surprising). No mention whatsoever of the true roots from Shotokan (which did surprise me), but this has happened thru out the series as has been discussed on this thread. I still enjoyed the episode though. VDJ




I also wasn't surprised with the lack of reference to Gen Choi or the ITF, but found little fault with that approach. They did not make reference to any of the significant leaders of the post occupation period or any of the early Kwans. So in that respect it was somewhat balanced.
The feel I got was that TKD was used as an umbrella term. They concentrated on the sport that it has evolved into, with success with Olympic status. It then attempted to show MA SD training was alive & well in the Republic Of (south) Korea, but I took away that you had to go outside of sport TKD training to get it.

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#350567 - 01/03/08 07:35 AM Re: Human Weapon Series [Re: ITFunity]
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I totally agree with you regards TKD; I studied Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan and know this is Korean Shotokan, apart from Hyungs with Chinese Influence.

I feel that anything that is given its ‘SPORTS’ label is watered down.

Muay Boran became Muay Thai which became Western Style Muay Thai

Judo lost many of its techniques through becoming a 'Sport'

Karate has become Freestyle and Sport Karate - Kata to music, yeah right and I suppose Bunkai is practiced for the techniques too.

TKD has lost its edge. Olympic TKD is nothing like Traditional TKD. How many MA's would stand in a street confrontation with their arms dangling by their waist going bounce bounce bounce kick, bounce bounce kick etc. This is not TKD.

Anyway I watched the Pancraytion episode last Night in the UK, I think its repeated tonight.

I was actually impressed with Bill Duff. And I am glad he fought, Jason Chambers needs to be humbled.

From what I saw, I actually didn't see much difference, apart from the rules, between Pankraytion and Krav Maga or Systema etc.

Excellent Martial Art though. I wonder where the Instructors trained prior to Pancraytion.

I saw one Gym with Tang Soo Do and Kickboxing symbols around it and the instructor had the Tang Soo Do symbol tattooed on his left arm.

Next week the UK gets to see the Judo Episode
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#350568 - 01/03/08 02:45 PM Re: Human Weapon Series [Re: ITFunity]
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The impression I got was that they were using the term TKD as an umbrella name for KMA (striking)



That was what I was getting at, guess I forgot about the word umbrella. I thought it was rather hypocritical of TKD being effective if they have to look else where for techniques. For example, the kick they learned from the TaeKyon master pretty much exists in the TKD arsenal (spinning back kick?). They should have focused more on going around to TKD schools instead of other arts. But I guess they were going with a more with of a history and culture approach which would result in influences of TKD.
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#350569 - 01/03/08 04:58 PM Re: Human Weapon Series [Re: IExcalibui2]
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What surprised me was their attempt at only doing fancy kicks and nothing like a basic front kick or a roundhouse kick was attempted. I think the Koreans just assumed that the hosts would just know something basic like that? I also thought it was funny how when bill falls down you hear a bell sound like funeral music.

Anyone get the impression that there was some cultural tension? Like how during hwarang do the host pushed the master away while he was on one leg? Although I thought Bill was doing a little eye contact with that korean translator. Also the security guy calling bill fat was mean.

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