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#349516 - 07/11/07 12:47 PM Re: the ATA [Re: VDJ]
ATABLKBELTNJ Offline
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if there are kids running around then that is the fault of the owner /instructor. I can say that that would be a bad example, but most of our schools are not like that I would hope that you go look at another school to see

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#349517 - 07/11/07 01:25 PM Re: the ATA [Re: ATABLKBELTNJ]
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Sorry I have to disagree! I found that to be the case with most of the schools I visited (NY,NJ,PA,MI,ILL,WI,MN,VA,MD). They are driven by kids as students. I know that you are just defending your org, but I found the skill level to be lackluster. Your school may be the exception to the rule. To answer your question about other orgs allowing students to come in and train, the answer is a big YES ! I found ITF schools to be most the most welcoming and the most consistent in their curriculum, WTF schools also would allow me to train with them (though I had been turned away by several. No ATA or ITA school ever allowed me to train, just to observe. Sorry, just the way I found them to be!

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#349518 - 07/12/07 12:13 AM Re: the ATA [Re: MattJ]
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Like any organization the ATA has some great instructors and some OK one's. And keep in mind a great students can emerge from a not-so-great instructor based on the students raw talent and dedication to the art. Good business model though. In New Jersey the "Pioneers" of the ATA in our area left the organization started their own organization "Karate America" and they are pretty much done with now (in my area anyway) - yet the ATA schools, and those instructors who left and went back to the ATA, are still around and doing well.

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#349519 - 07/12/07 10:39 AM Re: the ATA [Re: VDJ]
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What I mean is that as a form I woyuld most likly have to start over. Most places will let you keep your rank but as for forms and such I would most likely have to start over as ATA have set forms. I have been training for 8 yrs and have gone to other schools to see how the other half live so to speak and have not found it to be like you say. I am sorry that you feel this way,but when I go to tournaments I go against people my own age 45 and up. Not teenagers or younger.

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#349520 - 07/12/07 10:47 AM Re: the ATA [Re: VDan]
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Never heard of Karate America Guess they are no longer around. Which makes my point even better can they go to another school say like Tiger Shullmans and pick up where they left off. I doubt it. I not saying that my style is better than anyone elses just that I thinkg we have a better support system then most

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#349521 - 07/12/07 02:41 PM Re: the ATA [Re: ATABLKBELTNJ]
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What I mean is that as a form I woyuld most likly have to start over. Most places will let you keep your rank but as for forms and such I would most likely have to start over as ATA have set forms. I have been training for 8 yrs and have gone to other schools to see how the other half live so to speak and have not found it to be like you say. I am sorry that you feel this way,but when I go to tournaments I go against people my own age 45 and up. Not teenagers or younger.




Well of course you're not going to be in the same age bracket at a tournament. ! I too am in my mid 40's, belong to the AAU and have people my own age to spar. I am talking about the schools in General. It has been MY experience at various schools of the ATA and in various states, that the schools have a mostly child population. It doesn't mean that there are not adults attending, but the org targets the kids and makes their money from them! I also found the majority of the instruction mediocre at best! Again,these are my personal experiences!

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#349522 - 07/12/07 03:39 PM Re: the ATA [Re: VDJ]
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The McCabe brothers (Wayne was the senior most ATA student in NJ 20 years ago) and Jack Skutnick were the early instructors to leave and support Karate America - one of the instructors who left and went back to the ATA was Mr. Vince Ramonday (spelling is off-but I would guess you know who I mean). Yeah - I think they are all but gone. Or not affiliated with anyone if they are still teaching. Mr. Ramonday is a great guy and a good martial artist BTW

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#349523 - 07/14/07 07:49 AM Re: the ATA [Re: VDan]
ATABLKBELTNJ Offline
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he is now master Ramondi I will have to ask my instructor about that that is something I didnt know.Will have to ask him about the Mcabe boys too

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#349524 - 07/14/07 07:56 AM Re: the ATA [Re: VDJ]
ATABLKBELTNJ Offline
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that cam be said of a lot of schools, I have found quite a few of the instructors to be either lackluster or at best indefernt or worse yet when I tried other schools out the high ranks really pounded the lower ranks, being that I had also trained in go ju ru I found that the instructors didnt say or do anything about teaching control to them

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#349525 - 07/14/07 08:49 PM Re: the ATA [Re: fatguy]
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