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#348522 - 06/25/07 06:52 PM POLL - Your self defense techniques
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When planning and executing your intended self defense techniques, where do they leave your opponent? Standing or not? In AKK (predominantly a stand-up art), I would estimate that 40-50% of the SD techniques result in the opponent ending up on the ground.

Where do you PREFER to leave the opponent, up or down?
Percentage of your syllabus that grounds the opponent
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What is your particular preference?
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#348523 - 06/25/07 07:58 PM Re: POLL - Your self defense techniques [Re: MattJ]
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I voted assuming we have tried to run, and for whatever reason cannot. If I'm forced to fight "to the finish" so to speak, I want him on the ground, preferably unconscious, because I don't want him following me when I leave.
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#348524 - 06/28/07 01:34 PM Re: POLL - Your self defense techniques [Re: shadowkahn]
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I always would wanna put an attacker on the ground. It limits his movement and gives me the opportunity to either leave the area, deal with other attackers or if on duty, the opportunity to handcuff him or her.

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#348525 - 06/28/07 01:51 PM Re: POLL - Your self defense techniques [Re: MattJ]
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The point of self-defense is to neutralize the attacker. If the attacker is still standng, it probably means that he is not that injured and is still able to come after you, which, in turn, means that you have not defended yourself successfully (unless you neutralized him by talking, or giving him your wallet and running away, etc.)

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#348526 - 06/28/07 02:24 PM Re: POLL - Your self defense techniques [Re: MattJ]
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Probably 75% of the SD techniques we practice end to the ground and continue into a submission of some sort. But of course it would be nice to end an encounter standing as well.
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#348527 - 06/28/07 02:30 PM Re: POLL - Your self defense techniques [Re: MattJ]
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I see someone answered "leave then standing" for their own preference. I am interested to read the rationale for that choice.
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#348528 - 06/28/07 02:32 PM Re: POLL - Your self defense techniques [Re: MattJ]
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Not that I'm any good at the real thing...but I would prefer to give them the option to run away.

(Note: I can't run anymore because of my knees, and from the little I've learned, would avoid taking someone to the ground as that is not where I want to be.)

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#348529 - 06/28/07 04:14 PM Re: POLL - Your self defense techniques [Re: olga]
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Hi Olga, there are many different types of attacks to consider. Your correct if it is your life but there are also the drunk people who get a little brave and touchy during a confrontation and just a fast takedown or something to bring them to their knees will usually do. I found that humiliating a person in this type of insodent is far better than hurting someone. Plus your not taking anything to the extreme. The speed and gracefulness of a MA's taking someone down without hurting them and getting the point across is probably what we all strive for...I hope it is anyway.



You also have drunk Uncle bob that comes to every fourth of July party and is willing to test that your really a martial artist. Sometime something very easy will help Uncle Bob remember, may be two finger pressure point to his clavical when he does his ...ok tough guy what now?
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#348530 - 06/29/07 02:11 PM Re: POLL - Your self defense techniques [Re: schanne]
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Quote:

Probably 75% of the SD techniques we practice end to the ground and continue into a submission of some sort. But of course it would be nice to end an encounter standing as well.




Should SD ever END in a submission? If you attack me in such a way that I take you down, crying "uncle" isn't going to cut it. If I've got your arm/wrist, consider it broken.

That's the theory at least. Check out my stop at the drop of a tap post to see my concerns about conditioning to stop.

Quote:

Hi Olga, there are many different types of attacks to consider. Your correct if it is your life but there are also the drunk people who get a little brave and touchy during a confrontation and just a fast takedown or something to bring them to their knees will usually do. I found that humiliating a person in this type of insodent is far better than hurting someone. Plus your not taking anything to the extreme. The speed and gracefulness of a MA's taking someone down without hurting them and getting the point across is probably what we all strive for...I hope it is anyway.



You also have drunk Uncle bob that comes to every fourth of July party and is willing to test that your really a martial artist. Sometime something very easy will help Uncle Bob remember, may be two finger pressure point to his clavical when he does his ...ok tough guy what now?




I can almost agree with the drunk uncle scenario, but not the drunk stranger on the street. First, if the person isn't really a threat (just a little touchy) there's no need take them down at all. If you can't walk/run away and the your "take action" threshold is met, don't half step it. Besides, drunks can surprise you with pain tolerance etc etc. Not to mention the drug possibilities.

Oh, and if it's not your life (health too) on the line, then why engage at all?


Edited by jpoor (06/29/07 02:17 PM)
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#348531 - 06/29/07 02:30 PM Re: POLL - Your self defense techniques [Re: jpoor]
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Jim -

Not all subs end with "Uncle". A RNC will leave the opponent a limp, unconscious heap.
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