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#346748 - 06/12/07 10:37 PM Bruising
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what does bruising do for you? lets say your regular training regime consists of banging arms and/or smacking legs hard enough each night to cause bruising...

long-term what does it do? does it deaden the nerves so you feel less pain on those areas? does it strengthen tissue or enlarge bone mass?

are those necessarily 'good' things?

sure incidental bruises happen in training, but I'm talking about the intentional 'conditioning' where limbs are whacked repeatedly and cause bruising.

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#346749 - 06/12/07 10:50 PM Re: Bruising [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Never did intentional conditioning, but I sure got my share of bruises doing AKK. You get used to them to a degree, but bad ones would make me slow down my training until they healed.

I tried not to get bad ones.
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#346750 - 06/12/07 10:55 PM Re: Bruising [Re: MattJ]
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what would you say are the long-term effects? I don't train this way, but it came up in a discussion after class tonight - so was curious of the views on it.

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#346751 - 06/12/07 11:02 PM Re: Bruising [Re: Ed_Morris]
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I think one can gain some mental fortitude from a certain amount of hard contact. Ideally IMHO, there shoudn't be much in the way of physical long term effects ie; "I can't feel my legs!"

More, the mental strength of "I can handle getting hit fairly hard."
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#346752 - 06/12/07 11:08 PM Re: Bruising [Re: MattJ]
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assuming someone will target your forearms and legs in an attack?

I mean, people don't intentionally condition their face, do they? yet, the head is a prime target.

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#346753 - 06/13/07 12:20 AM Re: Bruising [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Well I don't think people who do that are doing it in case people strike their limbs, but so that they don't hurt themselves when striking someone else.

I don't know about why its done for arms and legs, but punching someone's head really hurts.

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#346754 - 06/13/07 03:03 AM Re: Bruising [Re: Mr_Heretik]
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Quote:

sure incidental bruises happen in training, but I'm talking about the intentional 'conditioning' where limbs are whacked repeatedly and cause bruising.



In my experience, the bruising quickly stops. After a few weeks of daily conditioning, the targeted area gets able to withstand the blows without bruising. But it might not be the same for everyone, because I always bruised very scarcely anyway. I remember some sparring sessions when my partnerís shins would end black and blue with ecchymosis while mine (although hurting just as much) showed no exterior sign of the punishment they had taken. In any case, I doubt the bruising keeps occurring forever: that would take a lot from the point of conditioning in the first place, in my opinion.
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#346755 - 06/13/07 09:27 AM Re: Bruising [Re: Tashigae]
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We did a lot of bone conditioning in my old school. We would stand there and whack forearms in a swinging/blocking motion and then stand face to face and kick one another in the shins.

Whether or not the pseudo-medical explanation of what takes place is true or not, I don't know, but I do know that the conditioning "worked."

The forearms of the people who did this often and with some intensity were harder/firmer to the touch and they were much more effective when used as a strike during blocking. (Every block is a strike...) Some of them felt like you were getting nailed by solid rock even though obviously you weren't.

Blocking was less painful on the arms as well. I'll gladly put my conditioned forearm to someones unconditioned shin any day. Obviously you can't to that with every kick or you'll get your arm broken.

I shin blocked a round kick once while sparring and my opponent couldn't continue (her school did no conditioning).

Now for the pseudo-medical... As the bone gets damaged it "grows new layers" that make it thicker and harder.

Not sure if that is really how it works or not, but I do know that when you break a bone a similar process happens and the mended break can often be stronger than the original. As for the the pain part, I don't know if it is an increase in tolerance or damage to the nerves. Maybe even both.
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#346756 - 06/13/07 09:30 AM Re: Bruising [Re: jpoor]
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not damage, a constant "pressure" if you will.
Light conditioning in other words.

Its much like weight lifting, do it properly and paced and you will gain, do a thousand reps in 10 minutes and it does [censored] all
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#346757 - 06/13/07 09:37 AM Re: Bruising [Re: Ed_Morris]
harlan Offline
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I can't find the article...but did read a medical description of what actually happens to the bone structure during the 'conditioning' process. Pics included. Was pretty interesting...but it didn't address bruising...only bone density/calcification. Isn't excessive bruising dangerous?

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