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#346436 - 06/10/07 08:44 PM Movies with staffs vs. swords
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So most people here have watched the martial arts videos. How do wooden staffs withstand swords and other metal/steel weapons? Are they wooden or do they just look wooden? I have seen swords cut wood but staffs are never cut in the movies?
Any knowledge of this?

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#346437 - 06/10/07 11:19 PM Re: Movies with staffs vs. swords [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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I have no idea how to use a staff against a sword, but using the staff to block the blade doesn’t sound like a great idea to me, when you look at what a decent blade can do. It doesn’t mean the staff isn’t worthy against swords though, because history provides examples of such fights won by the staff. Muso Gonnosuke is said to be the only man to ever defeat the great Miyamoto Musashi, using a bo he shortened specially for the occasion so as to gain a speed advantage – thus inventing the jo. If I remember right, there are a few occurrences of the Shaolin monks being sent to battle like a regular army unit, and the staff was their field weapon (I assume at least some of their enemies had swords). So the staff must be usable against blades, I just don’t know how (I just know blocks are definitely a big no-no, but some would say that this applies to any advanced fighting anyway…).

Wo Hu Cang Long (Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon in its English version) provides an exemple of a sword-VS-staff fight, where the staff DOES get cut (the user switching from long staff fighting techniques to cane fighting techniques).
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#346438 - 06/11/07 08:07 AM Re: Movies with staffs vs. swords [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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I have seen swords cut wood but staffs are never cut in the movies?

You already answered this. " in the movies." not real life. Be careful about putting too much belief into what is fed to you by the movies.
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#346439 - 06/11/07 12:38 PM Re: Movies with staffs vs. swords [Re: Chatan1979]
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I have used both and it's a fabulous experience as they are soo different and you approach your martial arts in 2 very different ways.
Generally I believe you use the staff as a kind of body armour, the whirling circular and stabbing moves will either block the sword or hit the attacking arm (or attacker). You say blocks are a no no but in fact very few swords could cut a staff in half with one blow as they are going against the grain of the staff. In fact they usually cut partway then get stuck in the staff which gives the staff wielder a second or 2 to conterattack before swordsman can get his sword out and ready again!

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#346440 - 06/11/07 07:49 PM Re: Movies with staffs vs. swords [Re: puffadder]
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I am not saying this happens in the real life it is why I put the post saying "movies"
Maybe it wouldnt break in the first attack, but I would think eventually the staff would snap.


Edited by WhiteDragon11 (06/11/07 07:50 PM)

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#346441 - 06/11/07 07:59 PM Re: Movies with staffs vs. swords [Re: puffadder]
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Quote:

I have used both and it's a fabulous experience as they are soo different and you approach your martial arts in 2 very different ways.
Generally I believe you use the staff as a kind of body armour, the whirling circular and stabbing moves will either block the sword or hit the attacking arm (or attacker). You say blocks are a no no but in fact very few swords could cut a staff in half with one blow as they are going against the grain of the staff. In fact they usually cut partway then get stuck in the staff which gives the staff wielder a second or 2 to conterattack before swordsman can get his sword out and ready again!




I would never go toe to toe witha sword with a bo of any kind. I dont follow your logic about using the bo as body armor. We are not talking about an Anime cartoon. Most of the spinning movements of the bo are interpreted as locks and throws. If we are talking about a japanese Shinken it can and will cut through the bo even if you are twirling it.One the person with sword manages to close the distance between you and he it is over, because the bo is weak at the engagement distance that a sword would use. The bo cannot match the speed of the sword. the are just too many reasons to list as to why yoou would not take a staff against a sword. There are too many romantic theories about the humble , peacfeul monk who only uses his pacifist staff to defend himself against the mighty evil sword weilding enemy. I am not saying it is impossible to defend against a sword sword witha staff, but it would be stupid unless you had no other alternative.
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#346442 - 06/12/07 11:54 AM Re: Movies with staffs vs. swords [Re: Chatan1979]
puffadder Offline
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I agree and my remarks were on the one in a trillion chance that a person was attacked by a swordsman with only a staff to defend himself. Staffs are long range weapons and once you get inside it's spin it is useless and is best either dropped or, better still, maybe allow your opponent to grab it so it hinders him rather than you while you attack freely at close range.
The only point I was making is I would rather face a swordsman with a staff than with nothing at all, rather the staff take the cuts then my body!

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#346443 - 07/14/07 12:06 PM Re: Movies with staffs vs. swords [Re: puffadder]
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You would you the staff as a spear. And when it comes to cutting a staff, you NEVER BLOCK DIRECTLY ON THE BLADE, it's always from an angle. Holding the staff like a spear makes this easier. Also, a thrust with a spear is MUCH fast than a slash with a sword, and if you remember reading this (I can't remember where it's from) "A samurai with his Katana, working against a man armed with a spear, must be 4 times stronger than the man with the spear, due to the advantages of his weapon."
Just because a staff doesn't have a blade doesn't discount it's use. Personally, I'd RATHER use the staff.
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#346444 - 07/14/07 10:52 PM Re: Movies with staffs vs. swords [Re: badeofblade]
WhiteDragon11 Offline
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OK that is a good point. I wont disagree with anything you said.
Good idea blocking at an angle. I guess though to fight a swordsman I would definately need to practice blocking. I block directly on like horizontally, vertically (not really angles).

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#346445 - 07/15/07 01:43 PM Re: Movies with staffs vs. swords [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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I did sort of go on a rant there, sorry =P
Just, even with sword-on-sword, blocking directly doesn't work- breaks the edge. With a staff though, I guess you have to be really careful of the blade sliding down the length of the staff... Tricky situation.
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