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#346082 - 06/08/07 03:28 PM How do gun disarm
MattJ Offline
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There's a "how to" for everything. Even gun disarms!

I liked that he spent some time talking about non-physical responses. What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07jnqD8wvyE&mode=related&search=
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#346083 - 06/08/07 05:03 PM Re: How do gun disarm [Re: MattJ]
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Quote:

There's a "how to" for everything. Even gun disarms!

I liked that he spent some time talking about non-physical responses. What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07jnqD8wvyE&mode=related&search=




Good that he talks about deescalation for sure. Give up everything but your life is a good theory.

It seems to me that the finger stuck in the trigger guard would hamper the disarm because it would get stuck. Most of the gun defense techniques that I have learned in the past end up with the barrel redirected to the attacker and the trigger pulled while still in his hand.

Of course, I've never had to really do it, so....
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#346084 - 06/08/07 05:07 PM Re: How do gun disarm [Re: MattJ]
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That is the first Krav Maga thing that I have ever seen that I liked. Once I saw the title of this post, I knew it would be Krav and I thought it would be rediculous. This guy actually made sense and his approach was good.

The only thing I would say is that if you have already given the attacker your posessions, I doubt your hands will be at your side. You can let them drift down a little, but I would suspect they would be up.
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#346085 - 06/08/07 06:30 PM Re: How do gun disarm [Re: MattJ]
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Does this guy have credentials?
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#346086 - 06/08/07 08:25 PM Re: How do gun disarm [Re: Isshinryukid4life]
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Does this guy have credentials?




Pfff, who needs credentials? Just watch movies like Lethal Weapon 4!
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#346087 - 06/08/07 09:21 PM Re: How do gun disarm [Re: Isshinryukid4life]
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Does this guy have credentials?




I take it that you disagree with something about the presentation? The disarm itself seemed about as good/bad as any other that I have seen.
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#346088 - 06/09/07 11:41 AM Re: How do gun disarm [Re: jpoor]
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I have two of those yellow rubber guns at our dojo. Both guns have the trigger guard cut away due to people hurting their fingers while twisting during the SD techniques. The guy on the video is correct, if you twist your attackers finger it's going to break that's for sure. The only dangerous part about twisting is the gun can fire when the index finger twist and during all that hopefully the barrell of the gun is point away from the defender...it better be!
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#346089 - 06/09/07 12:07 PM Re: How do gun disarm [Re: schanne]
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Couple of things on this.

First is the grab, the grab of gun has to first assume it will fire, because it likely will so you must be concerned where the bullet is going.

Second is the grab must diable the gun from firing again (if you know how guns work you will understand what I mean) and it must assure he can't pull it away (you need leverage cause he will fight like hell for the gun)

After that minimal strike and small circle JJ should finish the job on any gun or weapon defense.

Botton line on any weapon defense is the grab, everything else flows from that. Miss the grab, and you are going to have a bad day.
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#346090 - 06/09/07 05:49 PM Re: How do gun disarm [Re: Kimo2007]
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I've always wondered what damage a human hand would sustain when holding a gun (hand over the slide) really tight when it is fired. Maybe someone should send it to Myth Busters.
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#346091 - 06/09/07 10:02 PM Re: How do gun disarm [Re: KJ63]
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Quote:

The disarm itself seemed about as good/bad as any other that I have seen.




I agree



Quote:

I've always wondered what damage a human hand would sustain when holding a gun (hand over the slide) really tight when it is fired.




That would really hurt; no way will you be able to keep your hand on the gun unless you have true grit.

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