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#344631 - 06/09/07 03:32 AM Re: Blindfolded chi sau [Re: ashe_higgs]
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thought i'd add my two penn'eth for what its worth.
interesting and enjoyable forum-some of you guys get really het up-i think some of this shows how diverse wc really is as a ma

ashe_higgs: i fully agree with what you and some other posters (donchisau) have said about chi sau.
thanks for putting the vid on for us to see. i may be misjudging as difficult to determine exactly so no disrespect intended but my thoughts on it are:
-we would not train wc/chi sau like this as your arms seem too wide and far apart and away from centre line- if someone was taking me that wide i would immediately change inside to regain centre and if they didn't respond try to strike through; related to this is that your energy is not obviously going forward? i've not heard the term spinning so cannot comment, can you describe. good luck in the fights, keep us posted on your progress

Jkogas: i find alot of your posts very interesting and useful and fully accept that you have found styles/techniques that suit you but don't understand your downer on wc and chi sau. in my very humble opinion wc is about closing the distance and moving in to short punching and then elbow/knee striking (ieclinch) range. chi sau is very relevent to this as it trains this progression. and as stated above energy is going forward and elbows are always in to protect centre line. admiittedly a skilled grappler/wrestler may prevent this and counter successfully, but likewise a skilled wc attack could lay a grappler out with an elbow strike before he can counter- as ever this depends on the skills of the fighter not the style per se. i don't know what pummelling is so cannot coment, any descriptions.

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#344632 - 06/09/07 03:05 PM Re: Blindfolded chi sau [Re: staticman]
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static,

i liq chuan has it's own take on things. our sticky hand is not the same as WC sticky hand.

spinning hands is similar to what bagua calls rou shou.

none of the video clips i posted actually show any of our sticky hand, just variations on spinning.

ILC doesn't really focus on the center line, the center of mass is our emphasis, also we don't focus on just forward movement, but being able to apply force in any direction.

too much more i can't get into because it would require us to be able to touch so you could feel what i'm talking about.


Edited by ashe_higgs (06/09/07 03:13 PM)
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#344633 - 06/09/07 07:56 PM Re: Blindfolded chi sau [Re: ashe_higgs]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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Do you guys do spinning hnds blindfolded?

BTW, my sihing recently made his triumphant return from ICU. He came back mopping the floor with other dudes, with his eyes closed!

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#344634 - 06/10/07 02:03 AM Re: Blindfolded chi sau [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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ICU, intensive care unit?
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#344635 - 06/10/07 04:02 PM Re: Blindfolded chi sau [Re: ashe_higgs]
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john,

here's a clip with a fighter who demonstrates excellent real time sticky hand skills (jorge, the smaller fighter)

ray v. jorge

i should note that he only controls his oppenets hands and not his mass. what we would call "fend".

we have four levels in our training, "flow", "fend", "control" and "jam and freeze".


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#344636 - 06/10/07 11:33 PM Re: Blindfolded chi sau [Re: ashe_higgs]
JKogas Offline
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For some reason I couldn't view it. Try re-linking to it.


-John

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#344637 - 06/11/07 10:19 AM Re: Blindfolded chi sau [Re: ashe_higgs]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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Yes, that ICU - sorry.

I couldn't see the vid either. Very curious though!

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#344638 - 06/11/07 05:01 PM Re: Blindfolded chi sau [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Edited for porn links.

My apologies to the young horndogs.


Edited by oldman (06/21/07 11:21 PM)

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#344639 - 06/12/07 12:33 AM Re: Blindfolded chi sau [Re: ashe_higgs]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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Wow, that was good stuff! Especially for kimbo fights.

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#344640 - 06/12/07 07:05 AM Re: Blindfolded chi sau [Re: ShikataGaNai]
JKogas Offline
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Haven't seen it yet but does Jorge train chi-sao?



Ok, I saw it and what I saw was nothing but some relatively decent boxing with a little muay Thai influence coming on the knees and the neck clinch.

So now boxers are chi-sao practitioners? Is that your stance? I'm just trying to see how you spin around into your favor with chi-sao.

I mean, DAMN! lol

Even if you were, it still doesn't reinforce the pro chi-sao argument nor does it take away from my original point - which is, there are more effective ways of training the close range than chi-sao.



-John


Edited by JKogas (06/12/07 07:13 AM)

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