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#344533 - 05/30/07 10:08 PM Circle of the Tiger
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If any of you have learned this kata and know it fairly well what do you know about it's bunkai or applications and what the central theme of it is? This is from Nick Cerios Kenpo by the way.
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#344534 - 05/31/07 05:27 AM Re: Circle of the Tiger [Re: Stormdragon]
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Stormdragon,

NOt sure if I've heard of this form before. I found some clips, is this what you're referring to?

Circle of The Tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULZtN2JudRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke_UxOWBaBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3ezuoRQIjA

Interestingly my search also pulled up the following clip of real tigers circling.

Tigers continue to circle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BXhqO8o5KE
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#344535 - 05/31/07 07:57 AM Re: Circle of the Tiger [Re: Victor Smith]
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Storm I think that might be the kata I have, hold up I will check it out right now. LOL I think you just logged off to.
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#344536 - 05/31/07 08:07 AM Re: Circle of the Tiger [Re: Stormdragon]
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I studdied Cerio Kenpo for a while, however I did not learn this kata. It was taught at brown belt level and I had to move away just before brown. I believe they did a Circle of Tiger, Leapord and another cat of sorts.
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#344537 - 05/31/07 03:56 PM Re: Circle of the Tiger [Re: Chatan1979]
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I cant find a whole lot about it and I've looked. Anything you got would be helpful Tek thanks.
Yes we have Cat 1-3 but I haven't gotten to them. I'm close to learning Pinan 3.
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#344538 - 06/01/07 08:36 AM Re: Circle of the Tiger [Re: Chatan1979]
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Are these Chinese forms in origin? I had a quick look at the website and history but the mix of dan grades suggesting a Japanese/Okinawan system and people using "Sifu" (i.e Chinese origin) as a title threw me a bit. The form looks to be based on techniqes from some Goju patterns but who knows...

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#344539 - 06/01/07 09:17 AM Re: Circle of the Tiger [Re: Barad]
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Storm that dvd I have of Cerio performing around 20 techniques, he then performs a form at the end, it is the Circle of the Tiger form, it is similar to what those kids performed in those clips, however, there were some slight differences.

I can't believe you practice the pinan katas...How can so many styles of practice that set and get so many different interpretations of bunkai....silly

Kenpo is completely different from Okinawan karate.

Kenpo is Chinese art with Japanese stances. In other words you will see the solid stances of Japanese MA aong with the open, circular hand movements of Chinese Chuan FA.

If you ask me Cerio just picked a kata set to teach his students from. Because he didn't learn those kata from Professor Chow.
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#344540 - 06/01/07 12:48 PM Re: Circle of the Tiger [Re: TeK9]
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True Tek however I believe Cerio felt that the basic idea of the Okinawan and Japanese katas were very useful and developed better foundation skills than the traditional Kenpo. He liked the basics from thsoe systems. He learned some Shorin Ryu, Kyokushinkai, and Shotokan and adapted many of the katas from these systems into his.
He felt the Kenpo lacked solid stances and footwork, transitions, and general fundamentals so he added these attributes to his system while keeping the core with a Chinese Kenpo point of view.
Your right he didn't learn really any of the katas from Chow I dont think but he felt they were important and good ones came from these other systems so he added them and modified them to fit well with the Kenpo base.
But definitely it's not "pure" kenpo but who the hell carews I mean if it works thats the important things.
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#344541 - 06/12/07 06:07 AM Re: Circle of the Tiger [Re: Barad]
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Quote:

Are these Chinese forms in origin? I had a quick look at the website and history but the mix of dan grades suggesting a Japanese/Okinawan system and people using "Sifu" (i.e Chinese origin) as a title threw me a bit. The form looks to be based on techniqes from some Goju patterns but who knows...

B.




Hi

I think that these systems might have roots in goju and therefore chinese systems.
My studies of some katas seem to bring up techniques that these guys seem to use with a major or slight change.

I do wish they would show their ideas of applications.

I like Victors 4 th video of tigers circling. Those guys know how to fight and what they do is proven and doesnt need intepretation.Hard core.




Edited by jude33 (06/12/07 06:27 AM)

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#344542 - 06/12/07 06:12 AM Re: Circle of the Tiger [Re: TeK9]
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I can't believe you practice the pinan katas...How can so many styles of practice that set and get so many different interpretations of bunkai....silly





Might be it seems silly but there are some very good techniques in those katas that do work.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tRZQpvSZQQ
I have found some videos of karate techniques that work

by the boss of this forum

Sei Shihan Christopher Caile

Rather good isnt he?



Edited by jude33 (06/12/07 06:36 AM)

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