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#343684 - 05/24/07 01:10 PM Flexible weapons
MonkeyLegs Offline
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Registered: 07/19/05
Posts: 27
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Hello all,
Itís been so long since I have posted... probably close to a year.

Anyway, in the past little while I have done some reading on armies of the ancient world such as Rome, Greece, China ect... and I don't remember much mention of flexible weapons such as rope darts, meteor hammers, 3 sectional staffs or chain whips on the battlefield. The only exception I have read was the Ninja of Japan using chain weapons in combat. I have heard of morning stars being used by European countries but was under the impression that those types of weapons phased out. The most common type of weapons I seen were spear, sword, axe, knife or bow.

If they werenít used on the battle field, were they used for self defence or policing instead?
If possible, Could someone direct me to history books or reading material on gear used during pre gun powder ages (any country)?
Has anyone on here done an in-depth study of flexible weapons?

Thanks,
ML

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#343685 - 05/24/07 03:14 PM Re: Flexible weapons [Re: MonkeyLegs]
jpoor Offline
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Not that I really trust wiki very much but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flail_(weapon)

The flail qualifies as a 'flexible' weapon I think.

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#343686 - 05/24/07 04:19 PM Re: Flexible weapons [Re: jpoor]
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This is the wikipedia entry on a great number of MA weapons, and the flexible ones are listed under "soft weapons" and "composite" weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_martial_arts_weapons#.22Soft.22_weapons


Edited by SaintBarSteward (05/24/07 04:20 PM)

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#343687 - 05/25/07 02:30 PM Re: Flexible weapons [Re: SaintBarSteward]
MonkeyLegs Offline
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Thanks for the info guys.

Does anyone know of any historical accounts of Chinese warriors or units being equipped with rope darts or meteor hammers?

I was also wondering if anyone has sparred with such weapons and what was the outcome?

ML

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#343688 - 05/25/07 07:37 PM Re: Flexible weapons [Re: MonkeyLegs]
SaintBarSteward Offline
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I had a friend who could use a chain like no one else I've ever seen, but not quite a meteor hammer. Sparring with his seven-foot chain probably would have resulted in death.

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#343689 - 05/26/07 01:20 AM Re: Flexible weapons [Re: SaintBarSteward]
MonkeyLegs Offline
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Quote:

I had a friend who could use a chain like no one else I've ever seen, but not quite a meteor hammer. Sparring with his seven-foot chain probably would have resulted in death.




Fair enough. If there isnít a foam substitute to purchase anywhere, it might be neat to play with ideas and make a safe sparring tool.

Would I be right to guess that there isnít alot of history on these weapons being used in battle?

ML

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#343690 - 05/26/07 08:34 PM Re: Flexible weapons [Re: MonkeyLegs]
Saisho Offline
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Quote:

If there isnít a foam substitute to purchase anywhere, it might be neat to play with ideas and make a safe sparring tool




Tennis ball on a rope
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#343691 - 05/27/07 09:41 AM Re: Flexible weapons [Re: MonkeyLegs]
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Quote:

Does anyone know of any historical accounts of Chinese warriors or units being equipped with rope darts or meteor hammers?





No--because they're not practical weapons.

The soldiers of China's various dynasties used weapons like the ASIATIC COMPOSITE BOW, the SPEAR, and the SABER.
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And the rapier blades, being so narrow and of so small substance, and made of a very hard temper to fight in private frays... do presently break and so become unprofitable. --Sir John Smythe, 1590

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#343692 - 05/27/07 06:33 PM Re: Flexible weapons [Re: Saisho]
MonkeyLegs Offline
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Quote:


Tennis ball on a rope




Thats a good idea. I'll have to try that.

Quote:

No--because they're not practical weapons.

The soldiers of China's various dynasties used weapons like the ASIATIC COMPOSITE BOW, the SPEAR, and the SABER.




That makes sense. It's similar to many other armies of the same time. How would these items become known today as weapons?

ML

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#343693 - 05/27/07 07:00 PM Re: Flexible weapons [Re: MonkeyLegs]
Saisho Offline
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That makes sense. It's similar to many other armies of the same time. How would these items become known today as weapons?




While I might rather use a larger weapon if I can, there might be times that it would come in handy knowing how to use a weapon that can be wrapped up tight and hidden in a pocket. Swords are hard to hide.
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