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#343476 - 05/23/07 02:52 PM UFC 71
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05/26/2007 7pm PT/10pm ET

Chuck Liddell Vs. Quinton Jackson
Terry Martin Vs. Ivan Salaverry
Josh Burkman Vs. Karo Parisyan
Houston Alexander Vs. Keith Jardine
Kalib Starnes Vs. Chris Leben

Undercard
Thiago Silva Vs. James Irvin
Sean Salmon Vs. Alan Belcher
Jeremy Stephens Vs. Din Thomas
Carmelo Marrero Vs. Wilson Gouveia

I'll give you my always inaccurate picks -

Chuck Liddell Vs. Quinton Jackson - Tough one. I'm going with Jackson
Terry Martin Vs. Ivan Salaverry - don't know
Josh Burkman Vs. Karo Parisyan - Parisyan
Houston Alexander Vs. Keith Jardine - Jardine
Kalib Starnes Vs. Chris Leben - Starnes, just because I don't like Leben
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#343477 - 05/23/07 03:42 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: MattJ]
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I won't get to see this as I will be in Comox, BC during this time. I however will set the PVR to record this and watch it Sunday night so I won't be back on here after today until probably Monday at which time I can see how everybody picks.

Matt is correct, this is a tough one but I believe that Liddell has progressed enough since his last fight with Jackson whereas I think Jackson has gone the other way. His last fight and debut in the UFC with Marvin Eastman was nothing spectacular. Eastman is certainly not a top fighter at the age of 37 and I think the UFC gave Jackson an easy fight thought I thought Eastman gave great effort and did rather well. Jitters and all for Jackson, perhaps knowing he will be fighting Chuck this will give him the incentive to push more however I'm sticking with Chuck. Anything can happen though as we seen with GSP or Rich Franklin.

Ivan Salaverry, my fellow Canadian and TKD guy ... my money is on him. Nice to see his return to the UFC.

Josh vs. Karo ... another difficult choice. Josh works hard and has really surprised the UFC. Karo is a natural talent and has great Judo. I am going for Josh as I like the guy but I won't put it past Karo to win.

Jardine against Alexander. I don't know anything about Alexander as this is his debut in the UFC. I will go with Jardine but only if he keeps up the hard work like he fought Forrest Griffin.

Starnes against Leben. I like this match up, I like it a lot. I like Leben which makes me one of the few probably however I also like Starnes. I give this one to Starnes as he is more technical and I think can "out fight" Leben. Leben is a tough guy so we shall see as if he loses this one then I think we won't see him again unless they have a "where are they now" Ultimate Fighter show.

And for the undercards:

James Irvin over Thiago Silva
Alan Belcher over Sean Salmon
Din Thomas over Jeremy Stephens
Wilson Gouveia over Carmelo Marrero
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#343478 - 05/23/07 04:41 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Dereck]
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I had a dream last night i was reading a paper, the front headline had a picture of rampage battered and bruised indicating that he lost. So im going to go with my dreamy prediction and say that chuck wins, thats the only fight i can really comment on so ill stick with that
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#343479 - 05/23/07 05:17 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Tom2199]
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I had a dream last night i was reading a paper, the front headline had a picture of rampage battered and bruised indicating that he lost. So im going to go with my dreamy prediction and say that chuck wins, thats the only fight i can really comment on so ill stick with that




Hey Tom, when you start dreaming about the UFC, it's usually a good indication that you're getting unhealthily interested!

Rampage v Liddell- Tough one, but I think Chuck will win. He has brilliant sprawling skills and great boxing to boot. Rampage is certainly a good fighter, and very entertaining, but I don't think he can stand with Chuck, and I don't think he's going to get a chance to do his whole slamming thing.

Parisyan vs. Burckman- I don't know much about Burckman, but I like Karo and I'm pleased to see him competing again. His takedown skills are simply brilliant, and I think his striking is underrated.

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#343480 - 05/26/07 01:14 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Supremor]
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Rampage has got a helluva chin, and he's got that killer instinct. Although I think Chuck has become possibly the better fighter, it's not by a lot. If Rampage comes out with his game on, and puts his heart into it, I can see him winning this on sheer hustle and effort.

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#343481 - 05/26/07 11:59 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: masterfoofighta]
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Its still ongoing. Just to give some updates, Din Thomas fight is on next. Do give your updates and insights about the fights here guys.

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#343482 - 05/27/07 12:04 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: masterfoofighta]
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man I'm [censored]. I ordered it but the screen is black >=( this is the second time this has happened with a ufc ppv on freaking comcast detroit

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#343483 - 05/27/07 09:09 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Borrek]
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*taps everyone on the shoulder*

"Excuse me...*clears throat*...*breathes in*...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHH!!!!"

This was my thoughts at the outcome of the fight, not to give anything away...
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#343484 - 05/27/07 09:28 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
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hahaha.

RAMPAGE FOR THE WIN!!!
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#343485 - 05/27/07 03:37 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: MattJ]
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I'm a Chuck Liddel Fan but its really hard to beat a man thats already beat you. Chucks a puncher its really hard to beat a bigger man thats a puncher. Remember Frazier and Forman in boxing, Frazier definitely the better technican but the smaller man. Thats all it was Chuck probably walkes around 205-215lb Jackson probably walks around at 235-240lb of muscle. Jackson raelly only had to train to strike Liddel rarely try a takedown.

One thing I'll say he must trully believe in his striking to not try to change somethings. Who would have thought CL knocked out in the 1st round .

Quintin Jackson is a horse.


Edited by Neko456 (05/27/07 03:40 PM)
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#343486 - 05/27/07 04:47 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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Actually their weights were both dead even at 217 (maybe not 217, but they were even).

I think Chucks biggest problem in that fight was:

A: A wide guard
B: A lack of aggressivness.
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#343487 - 05/27/07 06:52 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
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Over waaay too quick.

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#343488 - 05/27/07 10:55 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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Chuck needs to stop being a Street Fighter and learn to box. He also needs to keep his hands up because he is very prone to the hook. It is almost as if he has a blind side when he gets hit with one. If anyone here saw the first encounter QJ caught Liddell a lot with the hooks.
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#343489 - 05/28/07 12:37 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
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Actually their weights were both dead even at 217 (maybe not 217, but they were even).

I think Chucks biggest problem in that fight was:

A: A wide guard
B: A lack of aggressivness.





I'm not talking about the weight they weighed in as, I'm talking about walk around weight, the weight they naturtally carry when not in the ring. Any boxers, wrestler or Kickboxer knows theres a big difference, sometimes.

As for Chucks fighting style he never was a boxer he was a slugger with a good punch. As mentioned against a bigger man you power can be netrulized and his enhanced. I saw the hook that took Chuck out he was out almost before he hit the mat. Maybe Chuck can whip everybody but Quintin, some people have your number. Jackson may have his.


How did my Judo guy come out? Josh Burkman Vs. Karo Parisyan. Copy an pasted.


Edited by Neko456 (05/28/07 12:40 AM)

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#343490 - 05/28/07 12:59 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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I think rampage beat him the first time out of skill, 2nd time was a lucky shot.

Rampage is still better in my books but they are close.

lidell needs to keep his hands up
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#343491 - 05/28/07 12:59 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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I think Chuck went out and tried to beat Jackson. He has always been a counter puncher and at 71 he tried to press the fight and got caught out of his normal game plan.

Props the Jackson for making Chuck come to him. Hope to see a rematch.
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#343492 - 05/28/07 04:03 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: jc4199]
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It might was started by a hook but from the scene slowed down it was a counter right hand, that dropped Chuck and really the ground pounding woke him up.

I rather see Chuck fight someone else get a title and let them fight to merge the titles. Lets see if Jackson can get pass old man Superman Dan Henderson he boxes pretty good but he's getting old.
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#343493 - 05/28/07 06:05 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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Rampage v Lidell was an OK fight, although Mampage looked technically far superior for the little fo the fight we saw.

The best fight of the night was definitely Karo Paisyan v Josh Burkman. Karo was absolutely brilliant- not only his judo throws and groundwork, but his hands were incredible! He really outboxed Burkman all the way through. There seemed nothing that Burkman could do, even when he got a takedown in the second round(I think)Karo looked more dangerous on his back than Burkman did on top, and nearly ended the fight with an armbar. In the clinch, karo was, as you would expect, dominant. It was wonderful to see him resorting to inside boxing skills when he couldn't get a throw. It makes him so dangerous in the clinch, because he can beat you both ways. Anyway, that was my fight of the night, Karo for the win!!

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#343494 - 05/28/07 06:44 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Supremor]
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oddly enough the worst fight was the main event.

I liked the judo fellow but id say he only won because he had better wind. the other guy was doing good before he ran out of steam
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#343495 - 05/28/07 10:09 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: crablord]
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I don't agree Crablord. Even before Burkman ran out of gas, Parisyan had a great first round, dominated with his hands and defended well from being taken down. Then he had that briliant throw- sort of a mix between tai-otoshi and harai-goshi. later on, Karo's fitness really showed, but he was obviously winning from the beginning.

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#343496 - 05/28/07 10:35 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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Chuck was never able to thumb Rampage in the eye and was clearly never able to turn the fight in his favor.

Chuck's striking defense was exposed IMO.


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#343497 - 05/28/07 01:13 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JKogas]
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Jkogas I take it you aren't a Chuck Liddel fan.

I just saw the entire clip it was a short fight, those who think Rampage was not bigger needs to see the fight. Chuck belly is to get up to that weight, remember he was middle weight champ 1st. Jackson is a Tank. Not making excuses just my 2 cent.

What I saw was clearly Qunitin has better boxing skills and took away Chucks advantage of being faster then most people in that weigh class. Really if you watch the fight Chuck was a second away from catching Jackson with his famous counter right. He got hit before he could get it off (he carrys his guard too wide, as it was mentioned).
The shot that droped him was hooking right hand on the tip of the chin.

Some people say it was fixed but if you watch the in the 1st clash, Quintin boxing was superior. Chuck knew he was a good striker. And Randy Couter said before fight that Jackson would win.

What I can't stomach or understand is the racail overtone coming out after the fight, on the internet. Martial artist are far more civil or understanding its just a fight.

Chucks less upset then his endearing public, he was as professional a losser as he was a Champion. I think this makes him an even better Champion, because anybody can be gracious when you are winning.

Chuck's an analytical man as he stated he is a bad match up for the dynamo Tito. Quin is a bad match up for Chuck, he'll be back.


Edited by Neko456 (05/28/07 01:31 PM)
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#343498 - 05/28/07 02:37 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Dereck]
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Got home Sunday night and watched the UFC and boy was I off. As I said, I wouldn't put it past Rampage to win especially after the upsets with GSP and Rich Franklin so this is not a total surprise but I think Chuck would have won if he would have been more conservative and let Rampage be the main aggressor and not fallen for the "come on" gesture from Rampage.

Terry Martin was impressive over Ivan Salaverry though I wish it went the other way for my fellow Canadian. Josh didn't impress me like I though he would though that guy can swing, he just needs some accuracy. Karo however impressed me very much and I'm glad he took this fight seriously. Houston Alexander ... wow ... this guy is something else and I enjoyed this fight the best. This guy I'd like to see fight Chuck or Rampage, that would be awesome. Good for Kalib though it wasn't too impressive of a fight and they were very equally matched. Glad Din Thomas won.

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#343499 - 05/28/07 03:42 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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What I can't stomach or understand is the racail overtone coming out after the fight, on the internet. Martial artist are far more civil or understanding its just a fight.





I did not hear or see that..When/where did this come about?
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#343500 - 05/28/07 03:44 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JasonM]
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It is funny..at first I was not a Chuck Fan. But I grew to like him and respect him as a fighter and person. I was hoping chuck would have won, but I could just see it in Rampages eyes that he was out for blood and not to mention he is a beast over Chuck. Even t hough size doesn't always matter. Rampage was ready....
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#343501 - 05/28/07 05:58 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JasonM]
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Yeah, I respect Chuck but I was never really a fan. I thought Couture could've beaten him three times in a row if he'd not gotten overconfident with his "boxing" skill... Oh well, that's another story for another time.

I don't know what to think about Chuck. Chuck never really had good boxing and really only had a hard punch. The lack of that did him in by a guy who truly is a bigger man.

I think Chuck hasn't attempted any takedowns in so long that he's forgotten how. I think he's also forgotten about conditioning. He SURE hasn't forgotten how to leave his arms wide open to expose his chin though.



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#343502 - 05/28/07 08:19 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JKogas]
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Perhaps Chuck could call Mayweather for some "boxing" lessons on defense. Hehehe.

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#343503 - 05/29/07 08:20 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JKogas]
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Chuck has power and accuracy and thats all you really need to win in striking.

I'm not so certain that any weakness was exposed in Chucks game. It's not as if he has lost over and over because of his boxing guard. His style works for him, he just got caught this time. Jackson did a great job blocking that punch, he himself said he saw it coming and new he had to counter it. He won because of his incredible boxing skills and luck. Could have gone either way.

Although I'm glad someone with a charismatic attitude is now champ. The "Ice man" Chuck was just that a cold cucumber, the dude never cracked a smile. Amazing how Dana managed to make him the face of the UFC and he actually did a great job carrying the sport on his back as the poster boy, time for a colorful character no pun intended. But you guys know what I mean. Let the werewolf HoWL...oooOWWWWL
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#343504 - 05/29/07 01:21 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: TeK9]
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Personally I like Chucks quite demeanor better then the loud brash Quintin. I really start liking Chuck after he coached the UFC fighter series with Randy, both class acts. I like him even better in his gracious acceptance in defeat, he got caught. Sometimes its your turn in the barrel.

Quintin is a character he is strong, talented and funny, lets see how good a champ he will be. How long will he keeps his title? I remember the Brazilan Thai figther Silva, KO'd him twice pretty viciously. Howling can't help you if you are not versitle.

Mr.Jackson Superman Dan Henderson (but he is older then Randy, I think) awaits.


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#343505 - 05/29/07 02:00 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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How long will he keeps his title? I remember the Brazilan Thai figther Silva, KO'd him twice pretty viciously. Howling can't help you if you are not versitle.




Wanderlei Silva was going to be fighting Chuck, but he lost his Pride title to Dan Henderson. Perhaps Wanderlei will get a chance to win his title back, I certainly hope so, since he is one of my favourite fighters.

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#343506 - 05/29/07 03:47 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Supremor]
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From my observation Chuck looked completely outclassed and intimidated...

Chucks physique seems to be getting worse and worse. You cannot say that he has the physique of a world class athlete that drinking is going to hinder his peak massively.

Rampage looked nervous but i think he was more annoyed at the attitude of the UFC fans??? his stare down showed his intent and chuck looked almost embarrassed. Physically Jackson looked in great shape and looked liked he was just locking chuck down like he would any other fighter, i think if it was to have continued it would have just proven to be more embarrassing for chuck.

Chucks striking ability really isn't anything to rite home about and his defense is very poor... he has some factors that made him a dominant fighter but Quinton has him beat on all of these and then some. Sorry ice man fans his time is over another Ken Shamrock comeback then see where the river takes him...

More and more pride fighters are coming over to the UFC so the fans will have to get used to having a better caliber of fighters knocking out there poor fan favorites. Maybe they should stop booing everyone and adopt a more mature sportsman attitude to go with ehe sport, my prediction is rampage is going to knock everyone out early unless they put someone good in there?? Dan Henderson? yup... another pride fighter.
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#343507 - 05/29/07 09:09 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Tom2199]
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More and more pride fighters are coming over to the UFC so the fans will have to get used to having a better caliber of fighters knocking out there poor fan favorites.




And how does Crocop fit into this? This is an old argument and proves nothing. Anybody can beat anybody on any given day and Saturday wasn't Chuck's day; simple as that.
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#343508 - 05/29/07 09:55 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Dereck]
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I just watched the fight and I do not see how everyone can say Liddel sucked it up so badly. Sure, he lost. He lost because someone finally capitalized on his first round errors. Chuck never got the chance to find his reach, had he the fight definately would have been a bit more fun to watch. Not taking anything away from Jackson, he is a beast, but i think Chuck can take him and I hope to see a re-match.

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#343509 - 05/29/07 10:38 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: TylerW]
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If chuck and jackson would happen to have a rematch again and chuck loses "again" then chuck is done for good

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#343510 - 05/30/07 06:28 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Romako]
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you mean a re rematch lol
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#343511 - 05/30/07 12:05 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Tom2199]
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Chucks striking ability really isn't anything to rite home about




I would run that past the great and the good that he has left blacked out on the canvas before offering such a statement as absolute fact. you dont have to like a fighter to acknowledge their strengths. Chuck can hit. no doubt.

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More and more pride fighters are coming over to the UFC so the fans will have to get used to having a better caliber of fighters knocking out there poor fan favorites.




Crocop is human. Chuck is human. Pride/UFC/Cage Rage/whatever, it is not the promotion you fight for that makes you the best, it is what happens on the night. ring or cage, japan or USA, you take a world class shot on the point of the jaw and you are going to hit the showers early.
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#343512 - 05/30/07 12:10 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Cord]
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I agree with Cord. I think Tom's assessment is overstating it a lot. Chuck didn't get to be champion by being "nothing to write home about."
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#343513 - 05/30/07 06:44 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Tom2199]
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More and more pride fighters are coming over to the UFC so the fans will have to get used to having a better caliber of fighters knocking out there poor fan favorites. Maybe they should stop booing everyone and adopt a more mature sportsman attitude to go with ehe sport, my prediction is rampage is going to knock everyone out early unless they put someone good in there?? Dan Henderson? yup... another pride fighter.





Maybe...
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#343514 - 05/31/07 07:47 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Spade]
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I'm simply looking at Chucks striking from a Muay Thai standard not venue or popularity, he can hit yes- hard and pretty accurate. But hes a knock out artist and i think against someone like Rampage who is more a technical/boxer he comes out on the bottom end. I wouldn't and didn't say this earlier because i didn't think Quinton looked anything like him usual self fighting Eastman but after seeing that my doubts are gone. Maybe ill eat these words later but we will see
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#343515 - 05/31/07 10:19 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Tom2199]
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I'm simply looking at Chucks striking from a Muay Thai standard not venue or popularity




But MT is well known to have the weakest punching ability in all of full contact styles of 'kickboxing'. British Muay Thai fighters tend to have better hand skills than traditional MT'ers because of our cultural history of fist-fighting. (this is the same with savate btw, we show much better punch skill on the whole than the french, who concentrate much more on their kicks).

Anyway, you simply cant judge a MMA'ist by a kickboxers criteria- different gloves, different rules, and different defence needs make it a very different game.

Chuck has often been criticised for having a poor stand-up guard, and leaving himself open to counters. That means that his defence could be seen as 'nothing to write home about', but his striking itself is amazing- fast, powerful accurate and aggressive; I just dont see how the quality of his punching can be questioned.
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#343516 - 05/31/07 03:54 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Cord]
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[quoteBut MT is well known to have the weakest punching ability in all of full contact styles of 'kickboxing'.





Agreed. I've seen boxers dismantle Thai boxers by just getting in their faces and unleashing the pressure.

As far as Chuck Liddell goes, who can argue with his punching power? Unfortunately for him, he just ran up against someone that can hit as hard as HE can and had some defense.

Chuck has been willing to "trade" with folks for some time now. I thought it was humorous to see him lying on his ass after that fight.

Liddell looked like a dear in headlights from the opening bell though. He lost that fight before it had even begun.


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#343517 - 05/31/07 04:14 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JKogas]
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Jkogas you sure don't sound like a Chuck Liddel fan, whoa!!

I thought it was sorta sad the assasin, Assasined. Like most hit hard and not knowing what happen you have the deer in headlight look. I know I've had on my face before and its not fun not knowing how you got down here!!

Yeah that confirmed it you're not a Chuck Liddel Fan, turn in your cap and badge son.

Live by the power punch, until U get KTFO by it.

Chucks still the Man, he needs to stop partying so much not that would have helped Frazier or Liddel against a bigger guy that can punch. Not making excuses but still waving the C.L. flag!!

He'll Be Back (Terminator voice).


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#343518 - 06/01/07 01:34 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Cord]
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But MT is well known to have the weakest punching ability in all of full contact styles of 'kickboxing'.


Oh no you didn't. . . hehe. Got to agree there. Punching is mainly for long-middle range. Why punch when you can elbow and clinch?

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British Muay Thai fighters tend to have better hand skills than traditional MT'ers because of our cultural history of fist-fighting.


Yup, it's hard to get rid of old habits. Particularly when Britts got a heavy punch.

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his striking itself is amazing- fast, powerful accurate and aggressive; I just dont see how the quality of his punching can be questioned.


Agreed.

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#343519 - 06/01/07 09:57 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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Ya know this just occured to me..Didn't that lidell fight vaguely resemble the fight with Stallone and Mr T? I mean mainly there faces and you could just see who wanted it more and came in prepared. IMO
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#343520 - 06/01/07 11:19 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JasonM]
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rampage looked nervous.
chuck didnt.

But then again I was going for rampage.
so who cares
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#343521 - 06/03/07 06:50 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: crablord]
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liddell didnt look himself in my opinion, guess he really hadnt forgotten the last loss..
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#343522 - 06/05/07 12:24 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JasonM]
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Ya know this just occured to me..Didn't that lidell fight vaguely resemble the fight with Stallone and Mr T? I mean mainly there faces and you could just see who wanted it more and came in prepared. IMO




Never thought about it like that, but yeah your'e right maybe Chuck partied too much during training and got blasted outta there. But I really think he is use to being quicker then most people, he wasn't quicker then Quintin.

The 1st clash Quintin blocked his attack, Chuck got hit twice and move out, then Chuck hit with a body shot stepped away Quin stepped with him blam!!
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