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#343506 - 05/29/07 03:47 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Supremor]
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From my observation Chuck looked completely outclassed and intimidated...

Chucks physique seems to be getting worse and worse. You cannot say that he has the physique of a world class athlete that drinking is going to hinder his peak massively.

Rampage looked nervous but i think he was more annoyed at the attitude of the UFC fans??? his stare down showed his intent and chuck looked almost embarrassed. Physically Jackson looked in great shape and looked liked he was just locking chuck down like he would any other fighter, i think if it was to have continued it would have just proven to be more embarrassing for chuck.

Chucks striking ability really isn't anything to rite home about and his defense is very poor... he has some factors that made him a dominant fighter but Quinton has him beat on all of these and then some. Sorry ice man fans his time is over another Ken Shamrock comeback then see where the river takes him...

More and more pride fighters are coming over to the UFC so the fans will have to get used to having a better caliber of fighters knocking out there poor fan favorites. Maybe they should stop booing everyone and adopt a more mature sportsman attitude to go with ehe sport, my prediction is rampage is going to knock everyone out early unless they put someone good in there?? Dan Henderson? yup... another pride fighter.
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#343507 - 05/29/07 09:09 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Tom2199]
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More and more pride fighters are coming over to the UFC so the fans will have to get used to having a better caliber of fighters knocking out there poor fan favorites.




And how does Crocop fit into this? This is an old argument and proves nothing. Anybody can beat anybody on any given day and Saturday wasn't Chuck's day; simple as that.
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#343508 - 05/29/07 09:55 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Dereck]
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I just watched the fight and I do not see how everyone can say Liddel sucked it up so badly. Sure, he lost. He lost because someone finally capitalized on his first round errors. Chuck never got the chance to find his reach, had he the fight definately would have been a bit more fun to watch. Not taking anything away from Jackson, he is a beast, but i think Chuck can take him and I hope to see a re-match.

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#343509 - 05/29/07 10:38 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: TylerW]
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If chuck and jackson would happen to have a rematch again and chuck loses "again" then chuck is done for good

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#343510 - 05/30/07 06:28 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Romako]
crablord Offline
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you mean a re rematch lol
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#343511 - 05/30/07 12:05 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Tom2199]
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Chucks striking ability really isn't anything to rite home about




I would run that past the great and the good that he has left blacked out on the canvas before offering such a statement as absolute fact. you dont have to like a fighter to acknowledge their strengths. Chuck can hit. no doubt.

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More and more pride fighters are coming over to the UFC so the fans will have to get used to having a better caliber of fighters knocking out there poor fan favorites.




Crocop is human. Chuck is human. Pride/UFC/Cage Rage/whatever, it is not the promotion you fight for that makes you the best, it is what happens on the night. ring or cage, japan or USA, you take a world class shot on the point of the jaw and you are going to hit the showers early.
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#343512 - 05/30/07 12:10 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Cord]
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I agree with Cord. I think Tom's assessment is overstating it a lot. Chuck didn't get to be champion by being "nothing to write home about."
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#343513 - 05/30/07 06:44 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Tom2199]
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More and more pride fighters are coming over to the UFC so the fans will have to get used to having a better caliber of fighters knocking out there poor fan favorites. Maybe they should stop booing everyone and adopt a more mature sportsman attitude to go with ehe sport, my prediction is rampage is going to knock everyone out early unless they put someone good in there?? Dan Henderson? yup... another pride fighter.





Maybe...
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#343514 - 05/31/07 07:47 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Spade]
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I'm simply looking at Chucks striking from a Muay Thai standard not venue or popularity, he can hit yes- hard and pretty accurate. But hes a knock out artist and i think against someone like Rampage who is more a technical/boxer he comes out on the bottom end. I wouldn't and didn't say this earlier because i didn't think Quinton looked anything like him usual self fighting Eastman but after seeing that my doubts are gone. Maybe ill eat these words later but we will see
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#343515 - 05/31/07 10:19 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Tom2199]
Cord Offline
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I'm simply looking at Chucks striking from a Muay Thai standard not venue or popularity




But MT is well known to have the weakest punching ability in all of full contact styles of 'kickboxing'. British Muay Thai fighters tend to have better hand skills than traditional MT'ers because of our cultural history of fist-fighting. (this is the same with savate btw, we show much better punch skill on the whole than the french, who concentrate much more on their kicks).

Anyway, you simply cant judge a MMA'ist by a kickboxers criteria- different gloves, different rules, and different defence needs make it a very different game.

Chuck has often been criticised for having a poor stand-up guard, and leaving himself open to counters. That means that his defence could be seen as 'nothing to write home about', but his striking itself is amazing- fast, powerful accurate and aggressive; I just dont see how the quality of his punching can be questioned.
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