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#343496 - 05/28/07 10:35 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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Chuck was never able to thumb Rampage in the eye and was clearly never able to turn the fight in his favor.

Chuck's striking defense was exposed IMO.


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#343497 - 05/28/07 01:13 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JKogas]
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Jkogas I take it you aren't a Chuck Liddel fan.

I just saw the entire clip it was a short fight, those who think Rampage was not bigger needs to see the fight. Chuck belly is to get up to that weight, remember he was middle weight champ 1st. Jackson is a Tank. Not making excuses just my 2 cent.

What I saw was clearly Qunitin has better boxing skills and took away Chucks advantage of being faster then most people in that weigh class. Really if you watch the fight Chuck was a second away from catching Jackson with his famous counter right. He got hit before he could get it off (he carrys his guard too wide, as it was mentioned).
The shot that droped him was hooking right hand on the tip of the chin.

Some people say it was fixed but if you watch the in the 1st clash, Quintin boxing was superior. Chuck knew he was a good striker. And Randy Couter said before fight that Jackson would win.

What I can't stomach or understand is the racail overtone coming out after the fight, on the internet. Martial artist are far more civil or understanding its just a fight.

Chucks less upset then his endearing public, he was as professional a losser as he was a Champion. I think this makes him an even better Champion, because anybody can be gracious when you are winning.

Chuck's an analytical man as he stated he is a bad match up for the dynamo Tito. Quin is a bad match up for Chuck, he'll be back.


Edited by Neko456 (05/28/07 01:31 PM)
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#343498 - 05/28/07 02:37 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Dereck]
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Got home Sunday night and watched the UFC and boy was I off. As I said, I wouldn't put it past Rampage to win especially after the upsets with GSP and Rich Franklin so this is not a total surprise but I think Chuck would have won if he would have been more conservative and let Rampage be the main aggressor and not fallen for the "come on" gesture from Rampage.

Terry Martin was impressive over Ivan Salaverry though I wish it went the other way for my fellow Canadian. Josh didn't impress me like I though he would though that guy can swing, he just needs some accuracy. Karo however impressed me very much and I'm glad he took this fight seriously. Houston Alexander ... wow ... this guy is something else and I enjoyed this fight the best. This guy I'd like to see fight Chuck or Rampage, that would be awesome. Good for Kalib though it wasn't too impressive of a fight and they were very equally matched. Glad Din Thomas won.

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#343499 - 05/28/07 03:42 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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What I can't stomach or understand is the racail overtone coming out after the fight, on the internet. Martial artist are far more civil or understanding its just a fight.





I did not hear or see that..When/where did this come about?
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#343500 - 05/28/07 03:44 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JasonM]
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It is funny..at first I was not a Chuck Fan. But I grew to like him and respect him as a fighter and person. I was hoping chuck would have won, but I could just see it in Rampages eyes that he was out for blood and not to mention he is a beast over Chuck. Even t hough size doesn't always matter. Rampage was ready....
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#343501 - 05/28/07 05:58 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JasonM]
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Yeah, I respect Chuck but I was never really a fan. I thought Couture could've beaten him three times in a row if he'd not gotten overconfident with his "boxing" skill... Oh well, that's another story for another time.

I don't know what to think about Chuck. Chuck never really had good boxing and really only had a hard punch. The lack of that did him in by a guy who truly is a bigger man.

I think Chuck hasn't attempted any takedowns in so long that he's forgotten how. I think he's also forgotten about conditioning. He SURE hasn't forgotten how to leave his arms wide open to expose his chin though.



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#343502 - 05/28/07 08:19 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JKogas]
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Perhaps Chuck could call Mayweather for some "boxing" lessons on defense. Hehehe.

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#343503 - 05/29/07 08:20 AM Re: UFC 71 [Re: JKogas]
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Chuck has power and accuracy and thats all you really need to win in striking.

I'm not so certain that any weakness was exposed in Chucks game. It's not as if he has lost over and over because of his boxing guard. His style works for him, he just got caught this time. Jackson did a great job blocking that punch, he himself said he saw it coming and new he had to counter it. He won because of his incredible boxing skills and luck. Could have gone either way.

Although I'm glad someone with a charismatic attitude is now champ. The "Ice man" Chuck was just that a cold cucumber, the dude never cracked a smile. Amazing how Dana managed to make him the face of the UFC and he actually did a great job carrying the sport on his back as the poster boy, time for a colorful character no pun intended. But you guys know what I mean. Let the werewolf HoWL...oooOWWWWL
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#343504 - 05/29/07 01:21 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: TeK9]
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Personally I like Chucks quite demeanor better then the loud brash Quintin. I really start liking Chuck after he coached the UFC fighter series with Randy, both class acts. I like him even better in his gracious acceptance in defeat, he got caught. Sometimes its your turn in the barrel.

Quintin is a character he is strong, talented and funny, lets see how good a champ he will be. How long will he keeps his title? I remember the Brazilan Thai figther Silva, KO'd him twice pretty viciously. Howling can't help you if you are not versitle.

Mr.Jackson Superman Dan Henderson (but he is older then Randy, I think) awaits.


Edited by Neko456 (05/29/07 01:23 PM)
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#343505 - 05/29/07 02:00 PM Re: UFC 71 [Re: Neko456]
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How long will he keeps his title? I remember the Brazilan Thai figther Silva, KO'd him twice pretty viciously. Howling can't help you if you are not versitle.




Wanderlei Silva was going to be fighting Chuck, but he lost his Pride title to Dan Henderson. Perhaps Wanderlei will get a chance to win his title back, I certainly hope so, since he is one of my favourite fighters.

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