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#342787 - 05/20/07 06:57 PM Kicking with front leg
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I was watching a Karate Tournament today on tv and everyone ONLY kicked with their front leg. I kick with my front leg a lot when I spar but I also use my back leg. Do you guys use front leg or both? I was calling all their kicks because it was so obvious. You would think the defender would stop getting kicked with the front roundhouse but I guess not.

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#342788 - 05/21/07 09:44 AM Re: Kicking with front leg [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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I didn't see the tournament you mention, but what is obvious to the person outside the ring / on the mat, might not be so obvious to the person inside.

Or, they could have just been telegraphing really badly.

The preference for front leg kicks could come from a few things. It's quick, and it is a short range kick for most arts.

Where the front roundhouse kicks you mention landing effectively, or where they just distractions like flies at a BBQ?
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#342789 - 05/21/07 12:33 PM Re: Kicking with front leg [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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I RARELY use back leg kicks when sparring, depending on who my opponent is. When going for points you can usually see a back leg kick coming from a mile away, in which case you can block it, jam your opponent, and strike to get the point.

Then again, if your opponent only strikes with the front leg it is much more predictible and you can play that to your advantage.


This is somewhat similar to my other thread about leaning on side kicks. Some say that it is good for power, however, others say that it is easier to see coming.

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#342790 - 05/21/07 01:04 PM Re: Kicking with front leg [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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It is a simple adaptation to the rules set at most karate competitions- semi to no contact, often point stop, and extra points given for kicks, particularly head kicks. The result is competitors throwing their leg into the air with tippy-tappy roundhouse kicks- often double or triple kicks all off the front leg. Never mind if it's got any power in it, it's touched the opponent so give me my points!

Basically, it's a bad thing.

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#342791 - 05/21/07 03:42 PM Re: Kicking with front leg [Re: Supremor]
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Yeah Supremor that is what my dad said too when we were watching it. The strikes were all double roundhouses to the stomache then to the head.There is no power in their hits it was just high and a flick to touch the person. I know it is for control but even without control it wouldnt hurt that bad.
The defender would always get hit the second time it seems and I couldnt figure out why. I would just roundhouse them to the stomache right after they are trying their next roundhouse to catch them offguard. But it could be because I wasnt under the pressure and the defender was.

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#342792 - 05/22/07 12:32 PM Re: Kicking with front leg [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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Whitedragon- what style of martial arts do you train in anyway?

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#342793 - 05/22/07 03:51 PM Re: Kicking with front leg [Re: Curly]
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I do Pai Lum Kungfu. And I used to do Tae Kwon Do, and another type of Kungfu.

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#342794 - 05/23/07 01:00 AM Re: Kicking with front leg [Re: Curly]
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Quote:

I RARELY use back leg kicks when sparring, depending on who my opponent is. When going for points you can usually see a back leg kick coming from a mile away, in which case you can block it, jam your opponent, and strike to get the point.




Yes, that's why its good to punch them in the face before you kick them with the back leg. Either the pain from the punch will prevent them from seeing the kick, or they will be too worried about defending the punches. If they move out of range then there is no need to kick anyway.

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#342795 - 05/23/07 06:27 AM Re: Kicking with front leg [Re: Supremor]
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Quote:

It is a simple adaptation to the rules set at most karate competitions- semi to no contact, often point stop, and extra points given for kicks, particularly head kicks. The result is competitors throwing their leg into the air with tippy-tappy roundhouse kicks- often double or triple kicks all off the front leg. Never mind if it's got any power in it, it's touched the opponent so give me my points!

Basically, it's a bad thing.




I cannot speak for types of point competition just for WKF shobu. The point(s) should not be administered if the kick has no potential in damaging the opponent. E.g. if the opponent is moving out of the line of the attack, there is consdierably less force in the technique and the point should not be administered. Or if the attacker is leaning forward in the kick locking his hips, even when he touches he has not much power to add.

But I have seen KO's of seemingly light double kicks into the neck or temple. It's not because the kick is not swinged through completely (like in Muay Thai) that a kick has no power. Velocity in delivering the kick can play a big role.
But bad technique is bad technique and should not be rewarded even if it touches.

Control of the kick is not the only reason why the kick returns in karate. Keeping eye contact to opponent is another one. If you swing through, better follow with a backfist. But not allowed in WKF shobu.

IMO kicking from back stance can only be done in a combination. Eg sweep kick or fist combo kick.

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#342796 - 05/23/07 11:02 AM Re: Kicking with front leg [Re: Curly]
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I RARELY use back leg kicks when sparring,




Just a point Chuck Norris made a career out of the spinning back kick, not to say his way is "the" way, just the back leg kicks can be very effective even against well trained fighters.
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