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#342713 - 05/20/07 08:36 AM "Your Pattern Looks Robotic"
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Anyone ever heard this comment.

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#342714 - 05/20/07 11:10 AM Re: "Your Pattern Looks Robotic" [Re: Ads]
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Anyone ever heard this comment.




Yep?

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#342715 - 05/20/07 11:13 AM Re: "Your Pattern Looks Robotic" [Re: jpoor]
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LOL, ok, now for a real answer:

Comments like that usually come when one does a pattern from rote memory as if marking of a checklist for each move.

Or possibly if some of the moves are uncomfortable because you have bad balance or lack of flexibility and do them "cautiously."

There are a bunch of other reasons (not understanding the bunkai (application) is a BIG one.


Now that I've elaborated on my answer, care to elaborate on your question?

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#342716 - 05/20/07 04:57 PM Re: "Your Pattern Looks Robotic" [Re: jpoor]
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I practice pattern using several methods :
slow and soft
slow and hard
fast and soft
fast and hard.

Fast and hard is how I would perform in a grading, every movement is fast and can appear ...jerky?

However, this doesnt mean I dont unerstand the pattern, in fact the opposite.
I was just curious if anyone else has had similar reasons for their pattern to be seen as 'robotic' from viewers.


(Although I feel that this post might end up being a waste of time)

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#342717 - 05/20/07 05:59 PM Re: "Your Pattern Looks Robotic" [Re: Ads]
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Robotic can also imply stiff. You may be going slow and hard or fast and hard or whatever, but your movements may not be fluid. I tell my students this a lot, some peoplehave a hard time relaxing no matter how soft or slow they try. This could be a reason you heard the term "robotic"
I also tell students to never do kata fast. you can put all youve got into a kata and that does not mean it has to be fast. Go for smoothness and speed will come naturally later, but you should never purposely go fast.
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#342718 - 05/20/07 06:57 PM Re: "Your Pattern Looks Robotic" [Re: Chatan1979]
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Nobody said that _you_, personally don't understand the pattern. That is just one of MANY reasons why the performance could appear robotic.

You were curious if anyone had similar reasons for their pattern to be seen as robotic...

Similar to what? The 'jerky' appearance you mentioned?

Maybe that's it, like Chatan1979 said, fluidity is key.
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#342719 - 05/21/07 02:02 PM Re: "Your Pattern Looks Robotic" [Re: Ads]
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Of course, I never hear it about my kata

What they're referring to is stiffness, sure, and it can also be timing. If your techniques come at set intervals, as if you're moving by a metronome, it can look robotic, too. You may want to quickly follow blocks with punches, but pause (while looking!!) before turning, for instance.
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#342720 - 05/21/07 02:13 PM Re: "Your Pattern Looks Robotic" [Re: Ironfoot]
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Have heard that said about others. In that specific instance, it alluded to 1) the missing of varying tempo within the kata subsets (which points to other things), and a 2)lack of fluidity/body dynamism/spring.

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#342721 - 05/21/07 05:08 PM Re: "Your Pattern Looks Robotic" [Re: harlan]
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you do see this alot, robotic single movements (often performed very strong) in kata, I have and do suffer from it myself.

Its generally what happens when im under pressure to perform, or the camera comes out...........

exhibits -

http://media.putfile.com/Pinan-Sho--Kata

http://media.putfile.com/Pinan-Ni-Kata

The trick is to not perform, do the kata for yourself, make the kata work for you whilst keeping things as the kata shows (which my examples do not show me doing.......) LOL

I think big classes, part time practise and a general 'not a clue' attitude to kata is to blame (or internal tension, nerves etc etc),

of course some people call that modern karate, power to them but its not for me.

I would love to post a better video of my kata, but the truth is it looked like that on the day, its the study and practice that count, the lessons we learn from kata - the delivery system of the art of karate.

I dont seek 'perfection' these days, karate is far to practical an art for that, just progress and hard work.
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#342722 - 05/23/07 03:07 PM Re: "Your Pattern Looks Robotic" [Re: Ads]
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I practice pattern using several methods :
slow and soft
slow and hard
fast and soft
fast and hard.




Someone,must've told you that your kata/forms were robotic,& I can understand why.
The slow & exact movements of kata done repetitiously will not only ad speed,But co-ordination,Ballance,& power,etc.etc..
This is not an insult,however what you're doing are not methods at all,& believe me when I tell you that the speed you think have now is an more of an illusion.
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