FightingArts Estore
Pressure Points
From a medical professional, straight facts on where and how to hit that can save your life.
Stretching
Limber or not, anyone can add height and speed to their kicks with this method.
Calligraphy
For yourself or as a gift, calligraphy is special, unique and lasting.
Karate Uniforms
Look your best. Max snap. low cost & superior crafted: “Peak Performance Gold” 16 oz uniforms.

MOTOBU
Classic book translation. Hard to find. Not in stores.
Who's Online
0 registered (), 35 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
old1, Leonar, ManLar, Vimido, raya
22925 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
futsaowingchun 4
Ronin1966 3
AndyLA 1
GojuRyuboy13 1
Matakiant 1
October
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
New Topics
The Classic Pak Sao drill
by futsaowingchun
Yesterday at 10:32 AM
wing chun kicks and knees
by futsaowingchun
10/09/14 12:55 AM
2014 European Championships Juniors: the Gallery
by ergees
10/05/14 10:56 AM
Tan,Bong,Fuk & Wu Sao
by futsaowingchun
09/30/14 12:10 AM
Living a full life violence free...
by GojuRyuboy13
09/25/14 08:50 AM
Wing Chun-internal training
by futsaowingchun
09/23/14 09:01 PM
Martial News
by Matakiant
09/23/14 06:42 AM
An open letter to bunkai researchers...
by Bartfast
08/05/14 04:18 PM
The Karate punch
by Matakiant
10/30/13 07:41 AM
Leo's Judo Journal
by Leo_E_49
01/24/12 02:58 AM
Recent Posts
The Classic Pak Sao drill
by futsaowingchun
Yesterday at 10:32 AM
Leo's Judo Journal
by swordy
10/11/14 09:21 AM
Living a full life violence free...
by cxt
10/10/14 10:08 AM
The Karate punch
by Ronin1966
10/09/14 03:16 PM
wing chun kicks and knees
by futsaowingchun
10/09/14 12:55 AM
An open letter to bunkai researchers...
by Ronin1966
10/08/14 09:22 PM
2014 European Championships Juniors: the Gallery
by ergees
10/05/14 10:56 AM
** Introduce Yourself! **
by AndyLA
10/04/14 10:20 AM
Tan,Bong,Fuk & Wu Sao
by futsaowingchun
09/30/14 12:10 AM
Wing Chun-internal training
by futsaowingchun
09/23/14 09:01 PM
Forum Stats
22925 Members
36 Forums
35582 Topics
432509 Posts

Max Online: 424 @ 09/24/13 10:38 PM
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#342410 - 05/17/07 12:41 PM Forms/kata synthesis
Stormdragon Offline
Who Dares Wins
Professional Poster

Registered: 08/05/04
Posts: 3409
Loc: Salem, OR
For thesis forms you create what process do you put into their creation? What do you base it on (specifically you all)?
_________________________
Member of DaJoGen MMA school under Dave Hagen and Team Chaos fight team under Denver Mangiyatan and Chris Toquero, ran out of Zanshin Martial Arts in Salem Oregon: http://www.zanshinarts.org/Home.aspx,

Top
#342411 - 05/17/07 02:21 PM Re: Forms/kata synthesis [Re: Stormdragon]
Joss Offline
Dragon

Registered: 01/18/06
Posts: 567
What do you mean, "thesis forms"?

Top
#342412 - 05/17/07 03:28 PM Re: Forms/kata synthesis [Re: Joss]
Stormdragon Offline
Who Dares Wins
Professional Poster

Registered: 08/05/04
Posts: 3409
Loc: Salem, OR
Likec black belt thesis forms for BB tests.
_________________________
Member of DaJoGen MMA school under Dave Hagen and Team Chaos fight team under Denver Mangiyatan and Chris Toquero, ran out of Zanshin Martial Arts in Salem Oregon: http://www.zanshinarts.org/Home.aspx,

Top
#342413 - 05/17/07 05:03 PM Re: Forms/kata synthesis [Re: Stormdragon]
Chatan1979 Offline
Member

Registered: 03/21/05
Posts: 338
Loc: Mahomet , Illinois
We dont create our own forms for Black Belt. or for any reason really. We have to write a paper for black belt but as far as forms are concerned they must demonstrate knowledge of the katas they have been doing since white belt, bunkai, oyo, henka, history etc.
_________________________
There is always someone who knows more, and noone who knows it all....

Top
#342414 - 05/18/07 08:52 AM Re: Forms/kata synthesis [Re: Chatan1979]
Joss Offline
Dragon

Registered: 01/18/06
Posts: 567
Our system process is the same as Chatan's. We stick to existing kata.

But... if I WAS going make a kata of my own... it would be based on a few profound self defense techniques that I found very effective and did not want to forget.

I'd keep it simple. Limit this to no more than two main techniques, one at the beginning and one in the middle. Don't try to be too literal with showing the techniques. Show just enough to get an idea of them.

Mix these in, symetrically, with basic stuff (blocks, punches, kicks, turns) to fill it out.

Count the moves and name it for how many there are, in the language of your art.

I've seen some examples of success with this plan.

Top
#342415 - 05/20/07 11:18 PM Re: Forms/kata synthesis [Re: Joss]
Stormdragon Offline
Who Dares Wins
Professional Poster

Registered: 08/05/04
Posts: 3409
Loc: Salem, OR
I guess people do it as we have so many kata.
_________________________
Member of DaJoGen MMA school under Dave Hagen and Team Chaos fight team under Denver Mangiyatan and Chris Toquero, ran out of Zanshin Martial Arts in Salem Oregon: http://www.zanshinarts.org/Home.aspx,

Top
#342416 - 05/21/07 12:58 PM Re: Forms/kata synthesis [Re: Stormdragon]
Victor Smith Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 06/01/00
Posts: 3220
Loc: Derry, NH
In my experience most systems do not use thesis form creation as part of their training.

I guess it depends on how you see your forms. Here are several possible models on what forms mean. As your training incorporates thesis forms, which seems closest to the way your training is conducted?

1. Steady State, when you have it, you have it. You just need to keep practicing, or learning more new forms.
2. Open State, you never really have it. A first degeree black belt has it to that degree of study, but there are decades of more detailed trianing to fully understand it.
3. Moving State - You get it but you move on to other things and then you begin to lose it and your training gets re-focused and you begin to get it again. Throughout your life you knowledge flexes.
4. Some combination of the above.
5. Something else all together.

How you answer the above, helps gives some contest on the idea of forms synthesis.
_________________________
victor smith bushi no te isshinryu offering free instruction for 30 years

Top
#342417 - 05/22/07 03:04 PM Re: Forms/kata synthesis [Re: Victor Smith]
Stormdragon Offline
Who Dares Wins
Professional Poster

Registered: 08/05/04
Posts: 3409
Loc: Salem, OR
We dont do that I was just curious how one would go about forming a kata.
_________________________
Member of DaJoGen MMA school under Dave Hagen and Team Chaos fight team under Denver Mangiyatan and Chris Toquero, ran out of Zanshin Martial Arts in Salem Oregon: http://www.zanshinarts.org/Home.aspx,

Top
#342418 - 05/22/07 04:57 PM Re: Forms/kata synthesis [Re: Stormdragon]
Ironfoot Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 06/10/04
Posts: 2682
Loc: St. Clair Shores, MI USA
First thing, I'd make a list of favorite techniques. Make sure they cover the gamut: kicks, hand strikes, plenty of grappling and arm bars. The tricky part would be putting them in the proper sequence so that bunkai would be interpreted in the flow of one to the next. Although I was just mentioning to a student last night how I suspect bunkai has been discovered that was never envisioned by the kata's creator(s).
_________________________

Top
#342419 - 05/25/07 10:23 PM Re: Forms/kata synthesis [Re: Stormdragon]
Isshinryukid4life Offline
Professional Injury causer

Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 2455
Loc: Knoxville.
Forget about "creating" more kata,Better yet,Don't even thing about creating anymore forms than what you have right now.

I'm not telling you what to do,& I don't know how you traing at your school,But it's something similar to this.

#1 Work on your basics(training drills)
#2 There's only one speed while training on your existing kata's,& that's slow & easy with exact movements of kata.
#3 Simple,Practical,& Analysis of kata,such as repetition of newly discoverd techniques,of grappling or drills with another person.

If you'd do this & more, You would certainly do your self a favor,of being a comitted & hard working martial artist,& forget about creating any sort of kata.
_________________________
http://www.hotforwords.com

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >


Moderator:  Cord, MattJ, Reiki 




Action Ads
1.5 Million Plus Page Views
Monthly
Only $89
Details

Stun Guns
Variety of stun gun devices for your protection

Buy Pepper Spray
Worry about your family when you’re not around? Visit us today to protect everything you value.

Koryu.com
Accurate information on the ancient martial traditions of the Japanese samurai

C2 Taser
Protect yourself and loved ones from CRIME with the latest C2 Taser citizen model. Very effective.

 

 



Unbreakable Unbrella

krav maga