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#341071 - 05/16/07 06:01 AM Re: Differences between BJJ and Jujutsu? [Re: Supremor]
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Exactly! I've seen judo guys work quite a bit from the ground and I've seen BJJ guys with excellent throws from their feet.

In other words, in many cases, they often end up looking pretty much the same! Which was my whole point to BEGIN WITH.

-John

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#341072 - 05/16/07 10:45 AM Re: Differences between BJJ and Jujutsu? [Re: Supremor]
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I was basing my statement on curriculum as set by the Kodokan and my understanding of Gracie's curriculum as I saw it in Bangkok.

If you're going to go into micro-scopic level of details, then heck you got so many schools that teach differently, it's just more or less impossible to say "This school does this, that school does that". That would be a fallacy in itself.

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#341073 - 05/16/07 10:47 AM Re: Differences between BJJ and Jujutsu? [Re: JKogas]
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In other words, in many cases, they often end up looking pretty much the same! Which was my whole point to BEGIN WITH.


Exactly, it's the situation that says what looks like what, not the practitioner.

-Taison out yet again
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#341074 - 05/22/07 09:44 PM Re: Differences between BJJ and Jujutsu? [Re: Taison]
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FYI, Judo and BJJ are practically twins. Both have the same throws and same grappling techniques. The difference? Different emphasis.

Judo wants to master 'throwing', while BJJ wants to master 'ground-work'.

The rules in Judo actually penalizes you if you try to play like a BJJ practitioner, and if you try to do Judo in BJJ competition, it'll mostly be futile since their mats are SOMETIMES, not always, so soft, throws wouldn't help much, hence the reason for quick takedowns instead of throws in BJJ.

It's the rules and emphasis. Same animal different usage.

If you want to be menacing, doing both judo and bjj would supplement beyond imagination. And you wouldn't feel lost when you are indeed cross-training in the two.

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Put even more bluntly, BJJ is directly derived from pre-1925 Kodokan judo, with a little Western CACC wrestling thrown in (Mitsuyo Maeda was actually a CACC champ who competed regularly in London, and he incorporated some CACC material into his own personal method). Early judo had much more emphasis on groundwork, which can still be seen today in Kosen judo schools.
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#341075 - 05/23/07 09:54 AM Re: Differences between BJJ and Jujutsu? [Re: Armed_Man_Piker]
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AMP,
Long time no see. Welcome back.
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#341076 - 05/23/07 10:17 AM Re: Differences between BJJ and Jujutsu? [Re: oldman]
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AMP,
Long time no see. Welcome back.





Thansk, bro. It's admittedly been a while!
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#341077 - 05/25/07 12:33 AM Re: Differences between BJJ and Jujutsu? [Re: Armed_Man_Piker]
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yes you hit it on the head, judo and bjj are almost the same...the history of bjj and gjj are very heavily influenced by judo... but like one guy said,some schools dont teach ground game,some dont teach striking ...some just are sports orinated...mine that i teach is combat orinated,i teach striking and ground work and kicking...

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#341078 - 06/14/07 09:59 AM Re: Differences between BJJ and Jujutsu? [Re: ExcessForce]
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As I understand it from the sensei at a Gracie school, there is VERY little (if any) emphasis on stand up fighting in BJJ, whereas in JJ there is a signifigant sylabus of stand up fighting (still certainly not emphasized)
It has also been my experience that there are a lot more transition positions in BJJ and that they train with a focus on the worst case (being on bottom) as opposed to the assumption that we can achieve mount.
That is merely my observation and NOT the voice of expertise.
J
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#341079 - 06/15/07 08:16 AM Re: Differences between BJJ and Jujutsu? [Re: groundfighter]
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Would you agree with that last statement?
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#341080 - 06/15/07 11:05 AM Re: Differences between BJJ and Jujutsu? [Re: groundfighter]
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More or less right, IME. About equal emphasis on guard work, compared to top position.
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