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#340335 - 05/08/07 07:23 AM heaven 6
meatloaf Offline

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can anyone tell me the striking patterns for heaven 4 heaven 6, and maybe explain abanico, redondo, abcedario 4and6, and siniwalli also? Thank you.

#340336 - 05/08/07 09:48 AM Re: heaven 6 [Re: meatloaf]
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Siniwali is the name for the group of all partner patterns such as Heaven 6. I have never heard of Heaven 4, but heaven 6 begins with both people in a right chamber position (right stick on right shoulder, left under right arm).

Right sticks are swung out and through to left shoulder, left stick is swung out to the head and through to the left shoulder, the right stick goes out in a backfist and back to the left armpit. Sequence is repeated from the other side.

The others are a little more difficult to explain. Heaven 6 is a good one to start with as is another we called Standard 6. It is the same pattern except the stick coming from the armpit is swung at waist level.
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#340337 - 05/10/07 12:59 PM Re: heaven 6 [Re: meatloaf]
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Registered: 08/16/06
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Saisho is correct. Sinawali means "to weave" and can generically refer to any striking flow drill with one or two sticks, and depending on the system there are different patterns.

Heaven 6 is double stick "redondo" drill. Redondo means "round." Heaven 6 is a six strike drill where (in the styles I have studied) all the strikes are done up high in the sequence described by Saisho above with 3 strikes coming from the right side and 3 from the left side.

Abanico means "fan." It is not a drill but a way of striking. There are several variation including abanico corto and abanico largo. Corto which means "close" (the most common variation), is just done by rotating the wrist in a back and forth fanning motion striking with the front and/or back side of the rotation. Largo which means "long" where the stick and arm move in an arc starting and ending with the tip pointed towards the ground.

The Standard 6 that Saisho refers to is also called "double sinawali" where the 2nd strike (the one from under the arm) is swung out low either at the waist or down towards the legs.

Abcedario means "alphabet." It is sometimes used to describe the angles of attack your system uses. Some use the term "numerado" which means numbers to discribe there angles. Modern Arnis uses 12 angles of attack. Other systems very greatly.

Heaven 4... not exactly sure on this one, but you may be referring to a drill simular to "double stick single sinawali" (since its a 4 strike drill) where all the strikes are done high instead of the high-low pattern of the normal "double stick single sinawali." But this is just a guess.
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#340338 - 05/13/07 09:27 AM Re: heaven 6 [Re: KJ63]
meatloaf Offline

Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 3
Thanks for the info. Just bought a cd with 3 books on,The Filipino Martial Arts by Dan Inosanto and Silat Perisai Diri by Don Draegar and Silat Melayu by Wong Kiew Kit and there is information on these regarding striking points etc so this will also be helpful to me i hope. thanks again.

Edited by meatloaf (05/13/07 09:30 AM)

#340339 - 05/14/07 04:44 AM Re: heaven 6 [Re: meatloaf]
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We do a single stick Heaven 7 which is a basic flow pattern.

Starting with stick in your right hand strike up and across to left, turn stick over and backhand up to right in a sort of figure 8 with the 8 lying on its side [like the infinity symbol]. Count 5 of these strikes then one low backhand [target the knees] and one high backhand [target the head].

You can do this alone or with a partner, remember to turn the wrist over nicely so that your knuckles form the basic path a blade would take if you were using a sword for the strikes.

Earth 7 is the same basic format except the strikes go downward to the earth and it finishes with the 2 backhand strikes one low and the last one high.

Single Sinawali is a 2 sick weaving pattern, sticks on each shoulder. R stick strikes high [to the head] as a forehand strike then strikes low as a backhand strike [to the knees], repeat with L stick high then low. It can be done with and without partner. Remember to chamber the stick across the body to shield your head on the opposite side after doing the forehand high strike.

Important point is to ensure the sticks are chambered on the shoulders for protection as you switch sides.

Double Sinawali is done with R stick chambered on shoulder, L arm held across body with L stick chambered under R armpit.

R stick strikes high [to head] then chambers across body to protect the L side of your head , L stick strikes low then R stick backhand high strikes the other side of their head.
L stick is then chambered on L shoulder with R stick chambered underneath L armpit and the whole sequence repeated with the L stick. You then keep alternating the sequences.

Redondo/redonda [windmilling] is a variation of the double Sinawali stickwork. Sticks are chambered as for double Sinawali and your practice partner holds his sticks out horizontally either side of his body in a wide Vee shape.

R stick strikes the opposite partners R stick then umbrella blocks around the head as the L stick hits the same side of the partners R stick. As the L stick strikes down the R one comes around the back of your head and strikes again. Chamber as for Double Sinawali and repeat on the left side.

Important points to remember is to make sure the first stick striking does a correct umbrella block around the head as the 2nd stick strikes down to prepare for the 3rd strike.

These can be done as part of a strike or defense and are a speedy & powerful flick of the stick usually to the head while moving back.

Abanico Watiks
these are done usually as part of a disarm or strike to the hand and head. General form of these will possibly be a block or strike of some sort followed by a rapid series of blows to the hand - generally something like outside strike - inside strike and then a watik to the head. ie strike outside the stick to the hand then arc the stick rapidly to the other side of the hand and strike it again then watik the head. The alternative is inside - outside and watik to the head. Either way its very nasty and would stun an ox.

We have other drills such as Banda Banda with double strikes and some lovely vicious throws using crossada either with stick or openhanded.
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#340340 - 04/13/08 03:57 AM Re: heaven 6 [Re: Reiki]
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