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#339577 - 06/10/07 02:33 AM Re: The Ninja Mindset in the teenage world. [Re: Taison]
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Don't be mad at me! I just read the last post and responded to that...
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#339578 - 06/10/07 04:51 AM Re: The Ninja Mindset in the teenage world. [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
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Not you. Thatguy! I'm just using the quick reply thing.

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#339579 - 06/11/07 10:03 AM Re: The Ninja Mindset in the teenage world. [Re: Taison]
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Now, why do you think most ninjas were female?

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Just because I'm bored...Where did you get the info that most ninjas were females?
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#339580 - 06/11/07 01:18 PM Re: The Ninja Mindset in the teenage world. [Re: JoelM]
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Logic.

Plus, most of the texts I've read usually hints towards being assassinated by women. Imagine it, a shogun, wouldn't let any armed soldier within his quarters, yet, women could go in and out as they wished. O_O

Must ring some bells.

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#339581 - 06/12/07 08:58 AM Re: The Ninja Mindset in the teenage world. [Re: Taison]
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So in other words you have no more facts than the silly kids do to base your knowlegde of ninjas on?
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#339582 - 06/12/07 12:29 PM Re: The Ninja Mindset in the teenage world. [Re: Taison]
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Logic.

Plus, most of the texts I've read usually hints towards being assassinated by women. Imagine it, a shogun, wouldn't let any armed soldier within his quarters, yet, women could go in and out as they wished. O_O

Must ring some bells.

-Taison out




Although I lack the competence to be positive about it, I would disagree. The very few historical reports I know of assassinations by ninja (not that there aren't any others, it just appears to be the only ones I know of) were carried out by men (at least those for which the culprit is known).

As for shogun, I don't think any of them was ever assassinated, if you consider Tokugawa Ieyasu's bakufu as the beginning of the shogunate, because it started a LOOONG period of total peace in Japan that lasted until the Meiji jidai imperial restauration (1868, if I remember right) which ended the shogunate.

And last but not least, in traditional Japanese society, a woman is SOOO FAR from doing whatever she wishes.

However, I suppose using women as spies (which, as far as I know, was the primary use of a ninja) would make sense. I even admit a woman would make for a great assassin if you could get her to become your target's concubine or mistress. But that's easier said than done, my friend.

One last thing: I've read that Hattori Hanzo himself created a unit of kunoichi. But there's so much BS circulating about that dude's life I'm definitely not sure how much credibility this story holds...
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#339583 - 06/12/07 01:11 PM Re: The Ninja Mindset in the teenage world. [Re: JoelM]
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So in other words you have no more facts than the silly kids do to base your knowlegde of ninjas on?




Yeah. Ironic isn't it?

Oh well, back to work.

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#339584 - 06/13/07 10:48 AM Re: The Ninja Mindset in the teenage world. [Re: Taison]
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When you become educated about the subject and escape the slavery infuence of holywood, you will realize that ninja were not nearly as glamerous as ninjitsu schools make them out to be.
They were not combatants, they were killers who were just as satisfied poisoning as they were sneaking in in the night and slitting your throat. Open combat was to be avoided at all costs. Spies and backstabbers, poisoning, sneaking, lying and infiltrating though decaption. Never warriors.
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#339585 - 06/13/07 12:22 PM Re: The Ninja Mindset in the teenage world. [Re: groundfighter]
JoelM Offline
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And where did you get your facts?
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#339586 - 06/15/07 10:51 AM Re: The Ninja Mindset in the teenage world. [Re: JoelM]
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hmmmm, Lets see if I can provide enough for you.
This one clearly states thatthey were not honourable warriors and that was the reason for their employment. They were not subject to the honour of the bushido code and as such could perform tasks that Samurai could not be expected to. They were not as well armed and trained for stealth for this very reason. Samurai warriors trained for battle not for hiding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja
Here is another.
http://people.howstuffworks.com/ninja.htm
Not to say taht ninja weren't effective at their chosen profession, because they certainly were. It is only to say that they were not proponents of bushido "the warriors code"
and that is what made them so useful to Daimyos across Japan. They trained in stealth and not open combat. They knew they were ill prepared for open battle as their equipment was normally designed for stealth and concealability. As well as the fact that the use of weapons by anyone other than Samurai was outlawed (so they had to keep it secret) It was during this time that ninjitsu was finally being studied as a definite art. It was not born of one discipline but of willing individuals with skills brought with them. Over the centuries they began to form what we now know as ninjitsu.
Certainly feel free to show me that I am wrong.
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