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#339260 - 05/20/07 10:32 AM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: MattJ]
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Isn't this whole thing becoming a childish charade of hairsplitting like alot of alot of debates on FA?
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#339261 - 05/20/07 11:13 AM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
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Isn't this whole thing becoming a childish charade of hairsplitting like alot of alot of debates on FA?




You're not wrong my friend... (sighs)

Look no one has any proof one way or the other. Debate by all means, but I don't think anyone is going to get their mind changed here.

Kimo, Kermit Cintron has asked to fight the UFC welterweight champion. Dana White is considering this. Until then, we won't know squat. You have demonstrated that , presently, you don't have a lot of proof for or against your claim. So there is little point in furthering it until you get some.
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#339262 - 05/20/07 11:34 AM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
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Yes yes yes. The saddest thing about this whole thread is it is nothing more than a bunch of sensitive MA all worried about who can kick who's butt.

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#339263 - 05/20/07 12:11 PM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: pathfinder7195]
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Yes yes yes. The saddest thing about this whole thread is it is nothing more than a bunch of sensitive MA all worried about who can kick who's butt.




While that is actually not a concern of mine, I get your point. I simply feel that if one comes on the forum and makes a rather bold claim (as Kimo has), then one should be able to offer proof of said point, instead of insulting everyone that disagrees. Expect to be called out on it.

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#339264 - 05/20/07 02:02 PM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: MattJ]
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I was arguing because he said a boxer could wipe the floor of a MMA in the octagon anyday. This is just plain ignorance, and got called out for that.

Then he said that boxers are 'elite' athletes when compared to MMA who are just 'collegiate'. Yet he's been unable to define 'elite athlete'. What makes an athlete elite?

And then he makes bold claims on a MMA elite, without backing up his statements.

Kimo has said some strong words without back up, and thus invalidated himself pretty much.

I don't care who can kick who's arse, because I know my killer-bunny with a demon soul will wipe the floor with all of you.

-Taison out
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#339265 - 05/20/07 03:10 PM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Taison]
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Hey, I'm enjoying the thread so screw off.

When watching Pros vs. Joes they take retired pros to go up against the average guy who thinks he could be a pro. Many of these old pros still have it while many don't but they are still usually better then the average guy. When Randy Couture was on there he earned respect from the Joes and they even said as much after wrestling with him. Randy is doing this in his 40's and still kicking butt and made a comeback into the UFC and becoming the heavy weight champion. If Randy is not an elite pro athlete then I don't know who is because when Mayweather gets to this age he probably won't even have all of his faculty to even do basic reasoning.

Money is not a driver for everybody so cannot be a factor when discussing pro athletes. BJ Penn on the ground is a phenom and though I dislike the guy he is good at what he does and he's not in it for the money ... he already has money. How much a person can bench is also not a factor when discussing pro athletes otherwise 5 years ago I would have been considered a pro athlete as 225 lbs was less then my light weight before I hit the heavy weights.

I have yet to see a "WWE" star becoming an elite MMA'r. I wouldn't mind seeing some and I think many would do well, but I don't think many will make the transition. So with this said, are you saying the professional wrestlers are elite athletes? Some I agree, no actually many I do, but there are those that don't even come close. The same with NFL footballers that you brought up. Have you looked at some of the linemen, they aren't there because of their skill but only because they are huge guys and hard to move. Hardly an elite athlete or any caliber for that matter. Have a hard enough time just getting off the field sometimes.

Lance Armstrong, definitely is an elite athlete, no question and even more so than many due to the things he has had to overcome; an inspirational elite athlete. But Lance Armstrong couldn't do MMA, boxing, football or many other sports but he sure can ride like no other. Mayweather wouldn't even be able to compete on Lance' level even if he started as a child.

If you make it to the top in any sport and continually show the world that you belong there then you are an elite athlete in your sport. Perhaps you would do well in other sports and perhaps you wouldn't be able to but that doesn't take away from the sport that you are doing. The only thing that means something is how you perform. Money does not come into question nor does anything else, just how you perform. And who among us can say somebody is not elite when they can't even perform at those levels themselves.
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#339266 - 05/20/07 07:01 PM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Taison]
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Come to think of it Taison, I've always suspected something evil about your bunny. But I could never put my finger on it.

The only thing I could say about boxers is that they train significantly longer for their fights than pro MMA'ist do, but then again when Tito fought Chuck Liddel, he had been in training for months which is far longer than boxers usually train.

Boxer usually spends 10 weeks training prior to a fight, MMAist average about 6 weeks. it's probably because of the rounds and the way they are set up to be less but longer.

I would however say that boxing is much more active than MMA, even though while ground fighting MMA are active but at the same time they get to rest more than boxers do in the clinch, slight movement allows them to maintain the clinch even if they are more resting rather than fighting for position. in boxing the ref seperates them up real quick.
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#339267 - 05/21/07 02:21 PM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: TeK9]
Dereck Offline
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In the clinch there is no resting, trust me. Every muscle in your body is tight and preparing to be unbalanced. Try doing 5 minutes of just clinch work and you will be extremely exhausted. That is a tough workout.
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#339268 - 05/21/07 05:37 PM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Prizewriter]
Kimo2007 Offline
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You have demonstrated that , presently, you don't have a lot of proof for or against your claim. So there is little point in furthering it until you get some.





Actually, I think the most important stat I can state is simply the magnitude of potential is so much higher in Pro Football, it would be extraordinary that a small population of athletes found in MMA would produce the same caliber, mathematically it would be like winning the lotto.

But we have done this dance long enough, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, there are currently several washed up athletes trying to compete in the MMA, most of them have very limited training, certainly not years of study.

Let's see how they do and we can re visit this topic then.

We are all just too stubborn to change our minds, anyway.
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#339269 - 05/21/07 06:57 PM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Kimo2007]
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correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Bob Sapp an ex-pro football player?

Hasn't he been the biggest let down of the new millenium when it comes to MMA?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJxnhvK2js
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