FightingArts Estore
Pressure Points
From a medical professional, straight facts on where and how to hit that can save your life.
Stretching
Limber or not, anyone can add height and speed to their kicks with this method.
Calligraphy
For yourself or as a gift, calligraphy is special, unique and lasting.
Karate Uniforms
Look your best. Max snap. low cost & superior crafted: “Peak Performance Gold” 16 oz uniforms.

MOTOBU
Classic book translation. Hard to find. Not in stores.
Who's Online
1 registered (futsaowingchun), 36 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
AndyLA, danacohenn, ksusanc, kellypnik123, leyinn
22904 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Dobbersky 15
cxt 7
trevek 6
futsaowingchun 3
JKogas 2
July
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31
New Topics
Applied center line theory
by futsaowingchun
07/28/14 08:55 AM
centerline concepts
by futsaowingchun
07/14/14 10:49 PM
language of syllabus
by trevek
07/11/14 03:36 PM
ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate????
by Dobbersky
07/10/14 07:14 AM
Anderson Silva - Leg Break
by Dobbersky
12/30/13 08:32 AM
Where Are They Now?
by Dobbersky
05/30/13 08:08 AM
Gi or no Gi Grappling?
by Prizewriter
04/16/12 02:48 PM
MMA - A passing Fad
by Dobbersky
04/12/12 11:16 AM
Throwing
by
04/23/05 10:58 PM
Recent Posts
ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate????
by Dobbersky
Today at 12:04 PM
Gi or no Gi Grappling?
by Dobbersky
07/29/14 05:11 AM
Applied center line theory
by futsaowingchun
07/28/14 08:55 AM
centerline concepts
by futsaowingchun
07/28/14 08:53 AM
language of syllabus
by trevek
07/14/14 04:50 PM
MMA - A passing Fad
by Dobbersky
07/10/14 07:35 AM
Anderson Silva - Leg Break
by Dobbersky
07/09/14 06:13 AM
Throwing
by JKogas
07/03/14 07:40 PM
Forum Stats
22904 Members
36 Forums
35564 Topics
432456 Posts

Max Online: 424 @ 09/24/13 10:38 PM
Page 2 of 11 < 1 2 3 4 ... 10 11 >
Topic Options
#339230 - 05/04/07 11:08 PM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Dereck]
Kimo2007 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 1057
Well here is my take,

Any pro boxer trained in MMA would wipe the mat with the full contact guys of today. If you have ever been around pro football, baseball or basketball, then you have an idea how good these guys really are, they are mutants.

I think the guy is an ass, but he is dead on right. When the money comes then you will see the truly elite fighters.
_________________________
Undefeated in all of Asia!

Top
#339231 - 05/05/07 08:34 AM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Kimo2007]
Tom2199 Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 04/18/04
Posts: 834
Loc: England
pro boxer? what about all these pro jujitsu guys?
its makes me cringe to hear things like that, hes a boxer not a mixed martial arts fighter. Put him in he ring with a Muay Thai boxer and he would get taken apart. Now add ground game to the spectrum and you have to take all those hours out of his hands just to start to make up for what hes lacking.
_________________________
Vet

Top
#339232 - 05/05/07 08:52 AM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Kimo2007]
MattJ Offline
Free Rhinoplasty!
Prolific

Registered: 11/25/04
Posts: 15634
Loc: York PA. USA
Quote:

Well here is my take,

Any pro boxer trained in MMA would wipe the mat with the full contact guys of today.




I'm not disagreeing with that, per se. However, I would bet that any pro boxer that isn't MMA trained would get HIS a$$ wiped all over the mat by someone that is.
_________________________
"In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin

Top
#339233 - 05/05/07 10:30 AM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Tom2199]
Prizewriter Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 2573
Think it is best to say that Mayweather, as he has demonstrated, has a great deal of insecurities. IMHO, its best to say, as others have done, that an MMAist or boxer would have advantages in a sporting contest based on the rules they fought under and their own ability. There is not much point in turning this into a style vs. style thread.
_________________________
"Let your food be your medicine, and your medicine be your food" Hippocrates.

Top
#339234 - 05/05/07 11:09 AM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Prizewriter]
Kimo2007 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 1057
My point is not about style my point is about athletic ability.

The fact is pro athletes are on a completely different level. You may cringe when you here that but I question if you have ever been around the people who make it to the pros, you would understand the point.

That is not to say they would beat a pro juitsu guy without training, of course not.

But if you have the abiltiy to make it in pro boxing, why would you even consider fighting MMA? You wouldn't.

Just watch any clip of Mayweather and then watch any clip of any MMA match, the difference in ability jumps off the screen.
_________________________
Undefeated in all of Asia!

Top
#339235 - 05/05/07 11:39 AM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Kimo2007]
MattJ Offline
Free Rhinoplasty!
Prolific

Registered: 11/25/04
Posts: 15634
Loc: York PA. USA
Kimo, I am afraid I am not understanding your point. Style specialists will be better at that particular style than a generic MMAist. But the overall skillset afforded by that MMA training will give the overall advantage to the more well-rounded fighter. So Floyd is simply picking nits to say that Chuck Liddell is not as good a boxer as he (Floyd) is. Chuck is not a boxer. Chuck could also say that Floyd is not as good a wrestler as he (Chuck) is.
Floyd is not a wrestler.

It is insulting and untrue to say that (especially the top tier) MMA people have no skill.
_________________________
"In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin

Top
#339236 - 05/05/07 04:35 PM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: MattJ]
Kimo2007 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 1057
Quote:

Kimo, I am afraid I am not understanding your point.




Matt

My point is not about style. The reason I spoke up is as much as I am a fan of MA, and the people who are out there like the Chuck Liddell’s, I get very concerned when people start comparing them to other Pro Athletes, as someone else said MMA is generations behind boxing.

Liddell would most likely beat an untrained Mayweather in the octagon, but what does that prove? Chuck Liddell deserves respect his is among the best in the world at what he does, but if you look at him as an athlete, he is at best college caliber and that is a long way from Pro caliber athlete and no where near Floyd Mayweather (even if Floyd is a raging a******)

So Mayweather did not need to shoot of his mouth, but we as MA’s need to be realistic about the caliber of athletes in our sport, and I am sorry but I know of no one fighting today that is an elite athlete.

On another note, I doubt MMA will get much better, reason is that as the athletes improve the injuries will escalate causing 2 things to happen, more rules, and less people willing to risk injury. Boxing will always out earn MMA fights for that reason.
_________________________
Undefeated in all of Asia!

Top
#339237 - 05/05/07 06:08 PM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Kimo2007]
Dereck Offline
Prolific

Registered: 10/04/04
Posts: 10413
Loc: Great White North
Oscar and Floyd are to make between $10,000,000 and $25,000,000 each for this fight ... yes, generations ahead of MMA, no question. But you cannot base a pro based on money, that would be ridiculous. Baseball players make good money and they are pros but would not do well in MMA or boxing and neither would boxers or MMA guys do well in baseball. Then look at pro football players, tennis players, hockey players, etc. They are all pros in their specific sport and they are trained to the caliber that is required of them. If a MMA guy was going to turn to a pro boxer then you can guaran-god-dam-tee that they would train to that caliber. If a boxer wanted to do MMA he would have to do the same. They are two different sports and cannot be compared to each other so why does Mayweather even get off spouting crap like he is? The elite fighters in MMA are pros, no question. In every professional sport there are those that stand out more and perform better such as Evander Holleyfield, Jerome Bettis, Wayne Gretzky, Andre Agassi, Hank Aaron, etc. And there will always be those that don't, but that doesn't make them less of a pro, just not as elite.

Mayweather perhpas is in the elite level of boxing right now but to spout crap like this does nothing for him. In a MMA ring even with training he would be destroyed by somebody like Chuck Liddell. Are people that daft that they think grappling is so dam easy? That defending from a Muay Thai clinch and knees is no problem? How about defending from ground 'n pound or elbows being dropped? What because you can last 10-12 rounds in a boxing ring and you are a good boxer that you think fighting in the cage would be simple? Many guys have great hands and find out that isn't enough. Many guys are great on the ground and find that isn't enough. Many people are very well rounded and sometimes that isn't enough. Mayweather should only talk about stuff he knows and MMA is not one of them.

I hope he makes his millions and still gets his ass kicked by Oscar. Go get him Oscar, at least I know he has respect for MMA fighters.
_________________________
"IF I COME ... I'M BRINGING THE PAIN WITH ME"

Top
#339238 - 05/05/07 08:29 PM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: Kimo2007]
MattJ Offline
Free Rhinoplasty!
Prolific

Registered: 11/25/04
Posts: 15634
Loc: York PA. USA
Quote:

My point is not about style. The reason I spoke up is as much as I am a fan of MA, and the people who are out there like the Chuck Liddell’s, I get very concerned when people start comparing them to other Pro Athletes, as someone else said MMA is generations behind boxing.




Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop right there. 'Generations behind' in prize money - not skill. These guys are not boxers, so you cannot compare them to boxers. Boxers are specialists in a narrow feild of combat sports.

Quote:

Liddell would most likely beat an untrained Mayweather in the octagon, but what does that prove?




That Chuck has more overall skill - the exact point I was trying to make.

Quote:

Chuck Liddell deserves respect his is among the best in the world at what he does, but if you look at him as an athlete, he is at best college caliber and that is a long way from Pro caliber athlete and no where near Floyd Mayweather (even if Floyd is a raging a******)




Sorry, but that is just ridiculous. Again, TOTAL skill level is what I am looking at. Not one specific focus.

Quote:

So Mayweather did not need to shoot of his mouth, but we as MA’s need to be realistic about the caliber of athletes in our sport, and I am sorry but I know of no one fighting today that is an elite athlete.




Now you are really being ridiculous. Randy Couture, Genki Sudo, Fedor, etc...are not elite athletes? Come on man.
_________________________
"In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin

Top
#339239 - 05/06/07 08:54 AM Re: Floyd Mayweather on MMA [Re: MattJ]
Prizewriter Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 2573
http://www.fightnews.com/boxing/bc/perea100.htm

Fromm the article:

'On an interesting side note Floyd Mayweather Jr. cleared up some questions about his rumored life after boxing. In the past weeks boxing's widely regarded pound for pound champion had made derogatory comments about mixed martial arts and its fighters, prompting UFC President Dana White to reportedly offer Floyd Mayweather Jr. a fight against current UFC Lightweight Champion Sean Sherk to prove if Mayweather's suspicions of mixed martial arts fighters were true.

Mayweather Jr. swallowed his pride and sincerely stated to Fightnews that he has no plans of competing in any organization of mixed martial arts,

"I apologize to the UFC, sometimes we say things that we shouldn't have said and I'm man enough to admit that. I apologize to the Fertittas, Lorenzo and Dana White (UFC owners), . I respect MMA fighters and what they do in the UFC. I have no plans of fighting in mixed martial arts." '

Think it puts this one to bed.
_________________________
"Let your food be your medicine, and your medicine be your food" Hippocrates.

Top
Page 2 of 11 < 1 2 3 4 ... 10 11 >


Moderator:  Cord, Fletch1, MattJ, Reiki 




Action Ads
1.5 Million Plus Page Views
Monthly
Only $89
Details

Ryukyu Art
Artifacts from the Ryukyu Kingdom missing since WWII. Visit www.ShisaLion.Org to view pictures

Best Stun Guns
Self Defense Products-stun guns, pepper spray, tasers and more

Surveillance 4U
Complete surveillance systems for covert operations or secure installation security

Asylum Images
Book presents photo tour of the Trans-Allegany Lunatic Asylum. A must if you're going to take a ghost tour!

 



Unbreakable Unbrella

krav maga