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#338778 - 05/07/07 12:10 PM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: Taison]
wristtwister Offline
like a chiropractor, only evil

Registered: 02/14/06
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Loc: South Carolina
When it's more advantageous to know how to grapple "near the out of bounds lines" than to actually know how to grapple properly, there's a problem. The last few seminars I attended with Olympic coaches all they could talk about was "making sure you had the boundary line nearby so you could get a restart".

Somehow, that kind of took all the "grappling" out of it for me. Turning the guy over and getting superior position was how I learned, or by escaping his hold-downs... not by hanging a leg over the out of bounds lines. To me, that's pretty chicken **** grappling.

At least the MMA guys go to the center and start from the position they had at the out of bounds... gotta give them that one. I'm a "stand up" judo player, and I'd rather throw than eat, but I've done my time on the floor, and I'd still rather see judo rules keep things level rather than giving the advantage to the cowardly players or those with limited skills.

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#338779 - 05/08/07 12:17 AM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: wristtwister]
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I've got to agree with that out-of-bound line. I mean, seriously, I'm going for the choke, he puts his leg across the line, and the ref breaks us up. That usually gets me pi$$ed to be honest. Not only was it a tremendous effort getting him to the ground, then I had to spend effort getting behind him for the hadaka-jime, and he escapes just by putting his leg across the line.

I don't know man, they seriously need to change the rules. The only place I see where you can apply judo principles properly these days are in the octagon.

-Taison out
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#338780 - 05/09/07 07:08 AM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: Taison]
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Registered: 07/23/05
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To be honest (and possibly skirting another thread) it are rules like this that I think are the primary reason for Judo's lack of domination on the ground. I feel honestly (possibly because 90% of my groundwork is Judo based) that if you gave a Judo and BJJ guy the same amount of grappling training and had them focus on the intricacies of their ground game, that the Judo guy would at least equal the BJJ guy. I also think he'd win, but that's just conjecture.
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#338781 - 05/09/07 08:02 AM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: Leonine]
Taison Offline
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Thanks god that in my old dojo, we didn't do by the olympic rules in training. If you went to the ground and it wasn't ippon, you could continue grappling until one won.

Too bad most dojos don't do that these days. I can say, from the bottom of my heart, I am one lucky SOB thanks to my sensei.

-Taison out
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#338782 - 05/10/07 06:53 PM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: Taison]
wristtwister Offline
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Registered: 02/14/06
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Rules are rules, and I've never liked anything that allowed someone to simply flop their leg over a line or rope and undo 5 minutes of hard work getting them into position for a choke or hold-down. I do agree with the "restart at the center with the same position", and is what they should be using in competition.

As an old self-defense judo guy, I'm holding on until somebody "unwraps" me from whoever I'm grappling with... but sadly, that's not much anymore. Bad hips and knees, along with bad rotator cuffs make grappling almost impossible anymore, so I might have to submit much sooner than I ever would before... but getting me there still isn't a picnic... Even an old dog still has a few teeth...

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#338783 - 05/12/07 10:16 AM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: wristtwister]
student_of_life Offline
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Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 1032
Loc: Newfoundland, Canada
im sure you could still put us young "wipper snappers" in our place any day of the week. my judo instructor is 49 i think, and he's made of steel, im convinced. while he may not be able to grapple for 20 minutes straight, he does not need the 20 minutes.
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#338784 - 05/26/07 01:07 PM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: student_of_life]
Tower_Bloodthorn Offline
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Registered: 08/27/05
Posts: 67
You can always compete in freestyle Sambo. It's basically Judo with fewer rules. You get more time on the ground, plus you're able to do more (not too many restrictions on locks and chokes).

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#338785 - 06/01/07 02:05 PM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: Taison]
Glockmeister Offline
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Registered: 12/22/05
Posts: 255
Loc: Lancaster, Pa
Take your forearm, put it flat against the shoulder blade and push, it will automatically force their neck to straighten just a bit, enough to slip your arm in and it doesn't put pressure on the spine to violate any rules.

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#338786 - 07/20/07 02:43 PM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: Glockmeister]
badeofblade Offline
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Registered: 07/14/07
Posts: 46
I find Sambo to be somewhere between Jude and BJJ, and as such, love it =D but that's just an outsider's opinion.

As such, I don't ofter use the rear naked choke anymore... Unfortunate "accident" in my last real fight with a rear naked choke almost got me arrested. (He was thrashing around standing with me on his back ((i slipped past a hook)) and crushed his throat trying to flip me over him.) Not fun.
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#338787 - 07/20/07 07:25 PM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: badeofblade]
Taison Offline
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Registered: 09/06/05
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Some fallacies I found from Tower_Bloodthorn;

Sambo doesn't allow chokes. Basically, no head manipulation at all. That's not Judo with fewer rule, it's a different beast all together. You can imagine how limiting it is if you can only go for the arm and legs.

I'd go for ANYTHING I'm able to grab. If I got head, I'd go for neck/choke. If I got arm, I go for arm. If I got leg, I go for the leg. Why should I go for the leg when I got his neck? See what I'm saying?

-Taison out
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