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#338768 - 05/02/07 01:41 PM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: student_of_life]
Dereck Offline
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Unable to touch the face in Judo, that is a new one for me so good to know. I've rolled with some Judo guys and it was never brought up but perhaps as they came to BJJ roll they just accepted it.

In these cases then it will have to being a lot of swimming one arm in and then the other arm trying to get one under. Or perhaps try to just get a part of your hand/wrist under and roll the wrist so that the bony part annoys them enough to want to shift. Can you do neck cracks in Judo? If you can then apply it and just make it as uncomfortable as possible by cranking their neck and when they try to fight it off by moving their head then you can slide in for the choke. Another one used is when their chin is down is to put your arm over their nose/mouth making it difficult for them to breath, which can be made more pleasurable by squeezing. When they move around and panic to get some air then you may be given an opportunity to slide the RNC in and finish it there. Plus being limited to oxygen already, their tap will usually come sooner.
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#338769 - 05/02/07 06:51 PM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: student_of_life]
clmibb Offline
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I have nothing really to add to this post other than this has to be my favorite name for a technique.

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#338770 - 05/02/07 09:04 PM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: clmibb]
leviethain Offline
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apply it over there chin, the pressure will be crushing there jaw and they should tap regardless

i occasionally get people like this in bjj, i don't know if judo has any rules against that sort of thing though

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#338771 - 05/02/07 09:53 PM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: leviethain]
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Even in BJJ, crushing the jaw is generally considered poor manners.
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#338772 - 05/03/07 04:32 AM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: leviethain]
Leonine Offline
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I find when people try and crush my jaw, there is just that little bit of room to start working. Besides, you won't be napping from a jaw crush so you may as well try anyway (says the guy who always has one or two bumps or stiffened joints from this sorta thing).

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#338773 - 05/06/07 02:11 AM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: Leonine]
diddy Offline
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I always try to sneak the forearm across the forehead... seem to get away with it if i do it backhanded for some reason, emphasising the fact that i'm not using my hand! You can do this above the hairline legally in judo (then it's not part of the face), but if you have someone's back and their face down it's a hard one to see anyway. Just doesn't work on someone who's receding, unless they've gone the comb-over!!!

Another way is by using the elbow to move the head on the opposite side (ie reaching accross with your right elbow on to the left side of their head and moving it over, giving you room to slip the left hand in... or vice versa). Don't elbow them in the head though, apply pressure. You don't have to hit them, just the discomfort makes you want to move!
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#338774 - 05/06/07 07:53 AM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: diddy]
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Quote:

I always try to sneak the forearm across the forehead... seem to get away with it if i do it backhanded for some reason, emphasising the fact that i'm not using my hand! You can do this above the hairline legally in judo (then it's not part of the face), but if you have someone's back and their face down it's a hard one to see anyway.


You get penalized for that if you try it. Read what I said earlier "NO HEAD/SPINE pressuring whatsoever in Judo", pushing back on their forehead is considered as pressuring the spine area which is not allowed in Judo. That's why a lot of people opt to go with gi chokes because fabric slips under the chin easier than a hand.

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Another way is by using the elbow to move the head on the opposite side (ie reaching accross with your right elbow on to the left side of their head and moving it over, giving you room to slip the left hand in... or vice versa). Don't elbow them in the head though, apply pressure.


Not sure what you are trying to say here.

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#338775 - 05/06/07 07:56 AM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: Dereck]
Taison Offline
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And no, neck cranks aren't allowed.

Sucks, doesn't it?

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#338776 - 05/06/07 10:53 PM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: Taison]
wristtwister Offline
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Registered: 02/14/06
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Loc: South Carolina
Guys,
when all else fails... read the rules themselves. As I was reading through this thread, it perked my interest about how the rules had changed over the years. The original rules of judo allowed any jujutsu technique to be used, but as they have been refined, the rules have changed to disallow many good techniques that simply had high injury rates.

Not meaning to hijack the thread, but here are a couple of links to the original rules, the current rules, and the rules changes as they have transpired over the years. Hope it helps anyone that's really interested in figuring out technique.

Just because something has been "outlawed" by the rules doesn't mean that it isn't a good self defense technique, so you want to "keep it in your bag". Fortunately, when I started Judo, it was taught as much as a self defense art as a sport, so I have a high regard for "self defense judo".

Enjoy...
http://www.ijf.org/corner/qCornerList.php?MenuCode=RJ
http://www.judoinfo.com/rules.htm
http://www.judoinfo.com/rules2.htm


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#338777 - 05/07/07 12:31 AM Re: applying a rear naked choke [Re: wristtwister]
Taison Offline
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WT,

To be honest, I have this very deep feeling inside of me that the Olympic commitee will do almost anything to make ground-work not work in Judo. I mean going for the choke is so damn risky because you can lose points for applying just the slightest pressure on the neck/spine. So the only viable and safe targets are the arms. So much for grappling.

What happened to the days when it was still pretty much similar to jujutsu grappling?

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