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#338291 - 04/26/07 01:46 AM Collar bone PP question
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Just behind the collar bone is a hollow spot that it you jab a thumb or finger into it hurts.

Is this a PP?

How does it work?

How do you use it in a fight?

Thanks in advance.

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#338292 - 04/26/07 10:18 AM Re: Collar bone PP question [Re: ExCon]
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Above/behind the collar bone are two pressure points: St 11 and St 12. Both are kind of cool. Go to acuxo.com or any of the links in the thread on PP maps, and you can find it.
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#338293 - 04/26/07 10:26 AM Re: Collar bone PP question [Re: ExCon]
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I use them by digging into them. I don't punch them. I use them for take-downs in combination with other things. I don't do much ground grappling but I suspect they would be awesome to help get someone off you. Actually, I might try that. Let's see. From the bottom of the guard, I bet if I put my feet on Gb 26 on both sides and got my fingers into St 11 or 12 on either side and pushed with my hands and feet, I think I could make someone move quickly. How about you think of something to use it for and post. If you get the St 12 point deeply, it should effect the same side arm due to proximity to the brachial plexus.
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#338294 - 04/27/07 01:40 AM Re: Collar bone PP question [Re: underdog]
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Thanks for the reply underdog, and good info.

I was referring to ST12. I didn’t know there were two points; I did find both on myself.

Quote:

How about you think of something to use it for and post.




In wrestling there is a hand position called the bear claw. The thumb of the bear claw can be used to press on ST12 or ST11 to enhance the effectiveness of the bear claw.

From this web page;
http://www.uwm.edu/People/tpmiceli/wrestling.html

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BEAR CLAW* - One hand inside tie at the top of the tricep.
The other hand [the bear claw hand] is posted between the neck and the shoulder
on the other side.
-do not wrap it around the neck.
*This is just like the standard tie up except you do not wrap the neck.






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If you get the St 12 point deeply, it should effect the same side arm due to proximity to the brachial plexus.




What do you mean by “effect”?

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#338295 - 04/28/07 01:50 AM Re: Collar bone PP question [Re: ExCon]
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Quote:

What do you mean by “effect”?



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#338296 - 04/28/07 07:45 AM Re: Collar bone PP question [Re: ExCon]
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Sometimes you can feel a tingling sensation in the arm. The three main nerves of the arm come together in the brachial plexus: medial, radial and ulnar nerves.
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#338297 - 04/28/07 11:09 AM Re: Collar bone PP question [Re: underdog]
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Quote:

Sometimes you can feel a tingling sensation in the arm. The three main nerves of the arm come together in the brachial plexus: medial, radial and ulnar nerves.




Thanks underdog

“tingling sensation”, I don’t think I’m going to try that on myself.

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#338298 - 04/30/07 11:01 PM Re: Collar bone PP question [Re: ExCon]
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I used to a friend who was very fond of these when grappling- Perhaps you could use them as a set up point but honestly, he used to blitz the hell out of them, after a while I didn't really notice any effect, they became pretty desensitised.

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#338299 - 05/01/07 08:09 AM Re: Collar bone PP question [Re: JimmySmith]
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I'm pretty sure you can do that from training. I've heard too many people saying they have desensitized and they come from diverse backgrounds. I know St 11 doesn't bother me at all. You could dig in as far as the skin will stretch and I can still talk and breath normally, even when people think they are pressing the point right into the back of the bone with a hooking finger.
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#338300 - 05/02/07 04:29 AM Re: Collar bone PP question [Re: underdog]
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That actually begs the question if the PP is still having any effect or whether we're just that used to it that we don't care... That would really suck to find out in 15 years that all that ST11 practice has lead to stomach ulsers... peachy.

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