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#336862 - 11/25/05 09:11 AM Re: Excellent resource on stretching. [Re: cziv]
MikeMartial Offline
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Registered: 12/18/03
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I wish more instructors were open minded about new ideas on flexibility. I've even brought this question to my instructor---and being open minded and a professional high school techer himself, things did not change as far as our stretching. Yet.

IMO, martial arts in general hold onto "traditional" a little too tightly at times. Tradition is good, don't get me wrong, but refusing to change is not.

The young guy in the website must have some TKD background, but dropped it in favor of tricking. Just going on a pure guess here. His cresent kicks are smooth, high, and fast, but arms do flail. But I guess that's not an issue when no one is attacking you

I popped by the trickstutorials.com forum to check and see if there was some info on his background, but couldn't find a whole lot.
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#336863 - 11/25/05 09:24 AM Re: Excellent resource on stretching. [Re: cziv]
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Registered: 10/09/05
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Yes, those are good points. Conditioning - both for strength and flexibility - is not taught much in martial arts classes. I find myself having to use the Internet and books to learn these things, and my sister/ flatmate is a qualified gymnastics instructor, so I get to pick her brain on conditioning.

There's an unfortunate attitute in martial arts that sagely says, "There are no shortcuts." The problem is that when a good and valid shortcut comes along it's often dismissed instead of being judged on its merits. The new scientific methods of stretching are a prime example. In the past it was never possible to gain flexibility except over the course of several weeks; now you can significantly increase your flexibility overnight.
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#336864 - 02/03/06 06:17 AM Re: Excellent resource on stretching. [Re: ShaolinNinja]
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Trickstutorials helped me alot with stretching. I am in the same boat as everyone else. I ask people in my karate class how did they get there splits and things and the anwser I would get is "I get two chairs with wheels...." and I am like how is that going to help me. I use combinations of Dynamics and relax and partner stretching in my class. I am going to start doing Isometrics at least once a week seeing as they are the best way to gain that flexibility. Stretching is fun and relaxing I can't believe people cry and moan about them pain lol.
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#336865 - 03/04/06 07:57 AM Re: Excellent resource on stretching. [Re: Eveal]
Drag'n Offline
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Registered: 02/14/05
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Great link,
I've practised various stretching methods over the years. In TKD, Yoga, capoeira, dance, wushu. ...
His material really covered the best of what I've learned. And I learned a couple of new things too. I would recommend it.
I'm curious about this concept of no passive stretching before a workout though. I've heard of it before but I'm still a bit sceptical. Every art I've practised incorporated both dynamic and passive stretches in the warm up.
does anybody know if this theory has been proven and where I can find more info?
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#336866 - 03/06/06 08:22 AM Re: Excellent resource on stretching. [Re: Drag'n]
wynnema Offline
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Registered: 02/02/05
Posts: 82
Loc: Preston
Quote:

Great link,
I've practised various stretching methods over the years. In TKD, Yoga, capoeira, dance, wushu. ...
His material really covered the best of what I've learned. And I learned a couple of new things too. I would recommend it.
I'm curious about this concept of no passive stretching before a workout though. I've heard of it before but I'm still a bit sceptical. Every art I've practised incorporated both dynamic and passive stretches in the warm up.
does anybody know if this theory has been proven and where I can find more info?




here is an extract from a publication by Ton Kurz on that very subject.

Never do static stretches before dynamic stretches, kicking, or any other dynamic movements. For several seconds or even minutes following any type of static stretch, you cannot display your top agility or maximal speed because your muscles are less responsive to stimulation—your coordination is off. Static stretches reduce the force production of the stretched muscles. This was shown by subjecting calf muscles to several 30-second stretches and measuring their force afterward (Rosenbaum and Hennig 1995). Maximal force production is impaired for several minutes after strenuous static stretching (Kokkonen, Nelson, and Cornwell 1998). If you try to make a fast, dynamic movement immediately after a static stretch, you may injure the stretched muscle. I explain these and other reasons in Stretching Scientifically (Kurz 1994).

In choosing stretches, you should examine your needs and the requirements of your activity. For example, if you are a kicker, you need mostly a dynamic flexibility of hips. To increase your range of motion, you need to do dynamic leg raises in all directions.

The principle of specificity states: Flexibility is specific to the speed of movement. Flexibility is also position specific, so static exercises or stretches like splits are not very useful if you want to kick higher (a display of dynamic flexibility). According to Logan and McKinney (1970) the principle of specific adaptation to imposed demands in the case of flexibility means that eventually, either at the end of the first set of dynamic stretches or in other sets, you should stretch at a velocity not less than 75% of the maximal velocity used in your actual skill, a kick, for example.

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#336867 - 03/07/06 05:27 AM Re: Excellent resource on stretching. [Re: MikeMartial]
Drag'n Offline
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Registered: 02/14/05
Posts: 9
Loc: Tokyo, Japan
Thanks man, very helpful info.
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