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#335737 - 04/22/07 10:17 AM Re: Knife defence [Re: ShikataGaNai]
Glockmeister Offline
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Registered: 12/22/05
Posts: 255
Loc: Lancaster, Pa
Quote:

Maybe the best defense against a knife is to assume that everyone has one, thus avoiding altercations and violence.

Good video. Thanks.




I agree wholeheartedly. In Krav, Haganah and JKD we alwasy usualkly assume our attacker will be armed with a weapon.,
As to the link provided, that scenereo actually happened to a brother officer I work with as well who thought the guy may have dies and the inmate turned on him and tried to stab him.

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#335738 - 04/26/07 09:36 AM Re: Knife defence [Re: Glockmeister]
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At jujuitsu, we are taught self defence against knives. It has been very beneficial, and while on the mat, you can learn from mistakes, on the street, there is no room for error.

Anyone who comes at me with a knife, well, it will be the last mistake they make.

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#335739 - 04/26/07 10:09 AM Re: Knife defence [Re: Shorinjiryumike]
schanne Offline
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Never new our bodies went into shock that quick after a good slice hits you. Wow, the time period is not very long to get out of a situation...3-5 seconds and your body starts to shut down & go into shock...now that's scary! I'm glad you posted this, it just goes to show how dangerous a blade can be:(
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#335740 - 04/26/07 10:23 AM Re: Knife defence [Re: kicksomearse]
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Anyone who comes at me with a knife, well, it will be the last mistake they make.




A word of caution. No matter how good your defence is, you will get cut. You may get to choose where, but you will get cut so you may, if possible, still wish to avoid a knife weilding assailant at all costs. If you have no choice, I hope your training helps you to survive and escape but do not going in thinking you will come out of the confrontation without a scratch. I have been training knife defences for years and I still know the best defence is avoidance of a situation that has me fighting a knife weilding attacker.

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#335741 - 04/26/07 04:51 PM Re: Knife defence [Re: RazorFoot]
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Well said Scottie!
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#335742 - 04/26/07 04:57 PM Re: Knife defence [Re: Chen Zen]
Shorinjiryumike Offline
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Chen Zen I just have to ask you this. How do you define someone as a "real knife fighter" and how would one have acted ? You mention they would have held the blade differently and that a knife fighters delivery would be different. Could you elaborate on this please.
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#335743 - 04/27/07 04:06 AM Re: Knife defence [Re: Shorinjiryumike]
Chen Zen Offline
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Well theres several things. First of all, a skilled knife fighter isnt going to allow you to see the blade until after its made contact with your body. You may catch a glimpse of it just before it gets you. He isnt going to present it 6,10, or 18 feet away such as in the scenario.

Also, an attacker so bold as to pull a weapon with the intent to kill you is going to do so in a very savage manner. Once he is close enough to cut you he is going to stab and slash wildly. Thats not to say there isnt certain technique about it.

He is going to aim for areas that will drain quickly and kill you quietly. He isnt going to slash your abdomen and gut you leaving you screaming. More likely he would Puncture a lung, diaphram or the heart, or poisinous organs such as the liver, appendix or kidneys.

He wants to kill you quickly, possibly rob you as well, and get away without getting seen.
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#335744 - 04/28/07 01:35 PM Re: Knife defence [Re: Chen Zen]
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Here are 6 videos that give you a good idea what a real knife attack is like. The 6th one takes a while to load but it is worth it.

http://www.personalprotectionsystems.ca/multimedia.htm
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#335745 - 04/29/07 09:32 AM Re: Knife defence [Re: Chen Zen]
Glockmeister Offline
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Chen, you make some valid points. However I think most "Knife defense" techniques are geared more towards the attacker who is coming at you in a rage either overcommitting to a thrusting or an "ice pick" attack or something of that nature. they also deal a lot more with knife threats i.e. holding a knife at your throat and demanding your wallet, that you come with them, etc. Dealing with a skilled knife fighter, I would either want to run away or at minimum, deploy my own weapon if at all possible. I don't think the act of keeping a weapon hidden untill a bad guy is ready to kill you with it takes a "skilled knife fighter" it just takes soemone who is sneaky and understands the power of surprise attack. that is why situational awareness is so important.

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#335746 - 04/29/07 01:07 PM Re: Knife defence [Re: RazorFoot]
Taison Offline
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Scottie, just wanted to add a little to yours.

Where I'm from, it's not even possible to choose whether or not you face a knife. Sometimes you just get stabbed before you even know it.

All that training in the dojo helps, but unless you're put into a situation where you pretty much know how and when the knife strike arrives, you're pretty much toast. Better start using nike-fu.

-Taison out
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