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#334876 - 09/28/06 04:37 PM Re: "Professional" [Re: Ronin1966]
kickinuggett Offline

Registered: 09/26/06
Posts: 9
Loc: Earth
Hi Ronin1966. WRT your question on what I consider "professional behaviour", here's a short list of the things I expect to see:

1. If you say you'd do something, do it. Deliver. Don't let your words fall to the ground. If circumstances may prove problematic, don't give people false hopes. (It all comes down to honor and integrity, basically.)
2. Honesty.
3. Willingness to teach, and sustain the school/club/academy/dojo/dojang etc, which ever term you like to use to describe your "school", The students are there to learn, they are not there to receive your wrath just because you're having a bad day/month/year. They are not there to receive flakey instructions that don't reflect the fees they pay. (Students leaving en masse may be a sign that something is not right. Have the balls to acknowledge it, and deal with it. Dealing with it does not mean banishing those who disagree with you, even when being impossible is so much easier than being reasonable.)
4. If something involves a business decision, then have the wisdom and discernment to turn to the right people for help. TRUST your friends, those who genuinely care, in other words not the McDojo salespeople.
5. Try your best to have no favouritism or unfairness. In a class there will always be students who are more talented. Have eyes and ears open so the mere mortals don't start to wonder why they're there.


In terms of having a "second job" - I'm neutral on that, because not everyone can live like a shaolin monk- train full time every day, and find time to study religious texts! If it's not religious texts, then at least journals from the ACSM, or keeping up to date with relevant subjects on nutrition, training techniques etc.

As for a neural surgeon having a second job as a plummer - surely the person should be a heart surgeon!! I would have thought a neural surgeon would have a second job as an electrician, but anyway.
Victim of McDojoitis.

#334877 - 10/01/06 12:54 AM Re: "Professional" [Re: kickinuggett]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 3119
Loc: East Coast, United States

I appreciate your thoughts, thank you!

Lets see... I was not asking concerning myself, simply wondering aloud about one of the many terms which get thrown about like confetti in many places.

"...What the heck is a "professional" martial arts teacher..."

I understand neutrality from a certain perspective. Let me press the point a bit... If I were a.... substitute teacher in a school system, by definition that is what I am doing in many different places and debatibly part time. Those who's profession is being in one class room 5 days a week, however many days per year, are by definition Professional Teachers, and not "substitutes"? So far ok?

They are not taking two, three other jobs on top of their paid day job. That is their living, and the thing they are trying to be the best they are able to become. Transferrers of knowledge-learning...

<<neural surgeon would have a second job as an electrician,


I merely am hypothesizing that a professional is an bone-fide expert in a very narrow field of knowledge. Other interests, amusements why not, but their day job, that is what they do and exclusively in that respect.

Merely my opinion, I could surely be mistaken...

#334878 - 10/01/06 01:14 PM Re: "Professional" [Re: Ronin1966]
kickinuggett Offline

Registered: 09/26/06
Posts: 9
Loc: Earth
Sorry Jeff. Even with my limited experience in Martial Arts, unfortunately within a year and a half of my training my school was - INFECTED - by the McDojo plague. There is much sadness and pain in my heart over the changes that have been brought about in my MA school. I do apologize that when I say "YOU" I meant only as a figurative being, e.g. the owner or instructor, not directed AT you.

I think we all have our own understanding or definition of what PROFESSIONALISM should be. Thanks for reading my posts.

P.S. IMHO - if someone is a "professional substitute teacher", surely there is nothing wrong with that? I believe newly qualified school teachers go through something like that before finding a permenant job to teach kids at a school.
Victim of McDojoitis.

#334879 - 10/30/06 08:49 AM Re: "Professional" [Re: Ronin1966]
Landus Offline

Registered: 12/28/05
Posts: 373
Loc: UK
The title 'professional' is typically self-claimed, the same with 'master'.

'Professional' is commonly used by MA organisations, to 'boost' the appearance of it. Generally, 'professional' conveys the sense of thoroughness and experience.

You may have noticed other words... such as 'real'.

#334880 - 10/31/06 10:46 AM Re: "Professional" [Re: Ronin1966]
vegantkd Offline

Registered: 09/06/06
Posts: 121
Someone who does something as a profession does it professionally. Make sense?

#334881 - 11/01/06 03:42 PM Re: "Professional" [Re: vegantkd]
Landus Offline

Registered: 12/28/05
Posts: 373
Loc: UK
Someone that is 'professional' is generally paid for what they do. Someone that is 'amatuer' is not paid for what they do. So I suppose you get amatuer clubs, and professional clubs. Although I think the two words are greatly taken out of context now. When I personally think of amateur, I think of somone who is less, which is not true.

#334882 - 10/07/07 08:45 PM Re: "Professional" [Re: Ronin1966]
karate_popo Offline

Registered: 09/27/07
Posts: 154
Loc: NYC
my teacher is beyond real and he teaches once a week, used to be twice.. and does private classes upon request...
Do what you love, love what you do

#334883 - 10/17/07 12:37 PM Re: "Professional" [Re: karate_popo]
Ogoun Offline

Registered: 03/22/04
Posts: 96
Loc: Fort Myers, FL
A professional:
has a minimum knowledge requirement- whatever that may be
is competent
is compensated for his services
teaches effectively
is trustworthy
conduct his business with integrity
provides consistency in service

#334884 - 10/17/07 04:50 PM Re: "Professional" [Re: Ogoun]
cxt Offline
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Registered: 09/11/03
Posts: 5844
Loc: USA
Just playing with the terms here

But if say its a plumber and they ran a plumbing business for which they were paid.


-They were bad plumbers

-They were "ineffective" nearly "incompetent" plumbers

-They were not "trustworthy" and did not do business with "integrity."

And "provided consitantly" poor service.

Would they still be "professional?"

Or would you call them BAD "professionals?"
I did battle with ignorance today.......and ignorance won. Huey.

#334885 - 10/17/07 11:25 PM Re: "Professional" [Re: cxt]
Ed_Morris Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 6772
maybe thats the distinction between "un-professional" and "non-professional".

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