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#334795 - 09/23/05 08:30 AM "Playing Nice" (sic. with the "competition"...)? [Re: trevek]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Hello Trev:

Outstanding! Any clue how that occured exactly?

Jeff

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#334796 - 09/23/05 02:54 PM Re: "Playing Nice" (sic. with the "competition"...)? [Re: Ronin1966]
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Not sure, as it was a few years ago and I wasn't involved as I was only just starting MA at the time. I'm not sure it still exists.

I think several of them used the same sports club and may have even trained with each other at some time. Anyway, they started a kind of advisory body. They could advise sports centres etc if a practitioner was legitimate and whether their organisation was a good one.

The only trouble was, as far as I know was that eventually personal and financial considerations began to pop-up. I heard it also began to be a bit of a quango. However the original idea was good.

I think in today's more open environment it would work even better.
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#334797 - 10/03/05 03:01 PM Re: "Playing Nice" (sic. with the "competition"...)? [Re: trevek]
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I actually had a similar experience back in the small Canadian town of Peterborough.

This is where I went through the ranks in my training. At the time (this occured about 6 years ago now), a fellow karate-ka and I decided it would be a good idea to put together what we called ' An Evening of the Martial Arts".

We went to all the dojos in town, and spoke with the instructors. We rented a huge banquet hall, had mats brought in, and each school put on a demonstration. Each one lasted anywhere from 15 minutes to half an hour.

All tolled, we had (if memory serves) about 10 different schools performing. We also had a huge dinner, and a few of the instructors spoke a little on their particular art, etc.

It was a resounding success. Everyone who attended LOVED the idea, and I know several cross training seminars were set up. We had Kung-fu, Karate (several styles), Kendo, Aikido, Judo, kick boxing and a few other arts represented.

Ironcially enough, one of the few dojo's the did NOT participate was the Dojo I was from. The head instructor absolutely refused to have anything to do with it, and in fact tried to forbid me from participating. I ignored him and went ahead with it anyway, resulting in a parting of the ways between he and I. As far as I am concerned, it was a small price to pay.

At any rate, it takes nothing more than the will to see it done to put such an event together. My only regret is that I moved out of town later that year, and the event pretty much died after that. I had hopes that it would be an annual thing, but trying to facilitate it long distance just proved to be too much.

Galen
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#334798 - 10/10/05 10:58 AM "Playing Nice" (sic. with the "competition"...)? [Re: Galen]
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Good Morning Galen:

I wonder what would be required to make something of that type an annual event??? Administratively speaking? Financially speaking? So forth...

How did you enter the doors of the places you knew little or nothing about? Would you have invited the "gorillas" the second time around (The folks who were only interested in the alpha-male domination thing) had you been able???

Jeff

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#334799 - 10/11/05 02:16 PM Re: "Playing Nice" (sic. with the "competition"...)? [Re: Ronin1966]
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Ronin

From a business perspective, many of the "other" schools that folks see as being "competition" are anything but.

One really hard-core teacher in my hometown was a big supporter of the local "family style" school.

"His" market and "their" market were very different things.
And neither was interested in being all things to all folks.

(which is pretty smart business from the get-go, as was checking their egos at the door.)

I think that getting to know the other MA in your market is an excellent idea.
Both from a business and just being a decent person perspective.

As is supporting one another.

To a point of course.
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#334800 - 10/18/05 11:10 AM "Playing Nice" (sic. with the "competition"...)? [Re: cxt]
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Hello CXT

<<From a business perspective

True. However by the same token any who lesson, degrade, lower the proverbial bar reflect poorly upon us all at a certain point. It is relative granted, however some gyms are teaching dangerously and stupidly...

How do we interact with the dolts-morons & baffoons, in a HELPFUL manner? I completely agree they in one perspective they are doing us a "service", but the same could be said for the last pandemic too! (Doesn't mean such a thing is good necessarily)

Mind you I am not being a macho chest thumper... ~your art is sissy...~. How do we interact with the perpetual "masturbators" who are far happier with the externals (the more the merrier) and quality be damned???


<<I think that getting to know the other MA in your market

Give me a full year and a staff of 20, and I might, might be able to get past the first layer. We are in the most heavily saturated M/A's area in the country. I literally could not visit all the ones I could drive to in 20 minutes in a months time.

However w/ re: to visiting, getting to know them eventually idea. Do you actively seek them out, and pay your respects??? Or do you run into them at the local buffet, laundrymat and merely interact there....?

Jeff

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#334801 - 10/24/05 01:25 PM Re: "Playing Nice" (sic. with the "competition"...)? [Re: Ronin1966]
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Ronin

Agree 100%--those folks should be opposed at every turn as they poisen the well for the rest of us.

How to best deal with them is the question---I am in favor of haveing at least one of them in business for the purpose of comparision---never hurts to refer potential students to the "other" guy when you know how much better you will look.

I activly seek out the other teachers--if you find good folks that share your values about good, solid training then its good business to support each other.

I try to set up some "cross-training" nights where folks from other schools can jump into class.
Made it vey "casual."

As a business idea--I got the "crosstraining" night into the local daily.
Listed the folks/school that would be teaching and where and when for the next 6 months.

Worked out well for all involved.
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#334802 - 10/29/05 09:21 PM "Playing Nice" (sic. with the "competition"...)? [Re: cxt]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Hello Cxt:

<<I set up some "cross-training" nights where folks from other schools can jump into class..."very "casual."

Ok, how do you figure out their purpose w/o potential bodies? Standard nightmare scenario whereby strangers walk through your door, trained poorly-badly (in some meaningful manner), or are playing a game.... (ie stupid 15yo games, but ego driven garbage none the less).

Interesting idea..... the local paper, "open door", several months in advance.

Hummmmmmmngh,

Thank you...
Jeff

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#334803 - 01/05/06 04:24 PM "Playing Nice" (sic. with the "competition"...)? [Re: Ronin1966]
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Hello:

A new year with an old thread, I was hoping/curious if anyone had new views, thoughts, ideas concerning the original posting (ie. How do you interact with the "competition" who are local to you in a positive, helpful manner)?

Anyone?
J

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#334804 - 06/06/06 03:57 PM Re: "Playing Nice" (sic. with the "competition"...)? [Re: Ronin1966]
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Interesting question....

Being a BJJ school, we face a similar challenge.

I have been teaching for almost 4 years in my town with a small but dedicated group of students. Not much advertising other than word of mouth. A new instructor moved into town of the same rank as myself but with more of a "name" as far as his affiliation. He invited me to check out his class which to his surprise, I took him up on.

Sat in on a couple, helped him out by coaching some of his students while he was busy with others and got to roll with some of his students whom were all very inexperienced compared to my own. No egos, no attitudes, everything abovce the table.

I made it clear that I wasn't looking to steal his students and I wasn't worried aboult losing my own. He was the one who announced to his class that I taught my own class across town.

We left with an open invite to each other and our students to drop in to each other's schools.

Compare that to places that wouldn't even let me on the floor if I was from a different school.
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