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#334741 - 07/12/05 11:32 AM Student with diabetes
davera Offline
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One of my students informed us last night that he has been diagnosed with diabetes type II and is on medication. He does plan to continue training, however. Anyone have suggestions on things to watch out for? Any thoughts on how to modify his training to accommodate his condition?

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#334742 - 07/13/05 12:36 PM Re: Student with diabetes [Re: davera]
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Depending on the age of your student, my guess would be that this is not their first foray into physical activity/excercise.

They will probably already know when to eat and/or take their meds to prevent "getting low".

Watch for signs off nausea, weakness, perfuse sweating( not a good indicator in this instance).

Having some crackers or hard candy on hand wouldn't be a bad idea.

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#334743 - 08/31/05 02:08 PM Student with diabetes [Re: davera]
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As with any chronic condition, illness everyone with a "seat at this table" must be respectful, careful. It is NO a death sentence, but can certainly be tricky at times if your student either fails to pay attention OR the disease cares to play games and give him/her a nasty surprise.

Exercise, food intake, and their medication are their three fundamental aspects of health. The hidden one and often unspoken one is the mental health aspect. That which was easy before may now seem dire and daunting... its their disease and they will hopefully let you know what's going on
If not offer support, and they'll chat if/when they want.

As for hard candy, yes add that to your first aid kit, ALSO consider add something (you get at any pharmacy and many supermarkets) called GLUCOSE which is a gel that is in effect real sweet cake icing.... You'll never need it but good idea to have.

There's more, but let start with this...
Jeff

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#334744 - 09/02/05 03:53 AM Re: Student with diabetes [Re: davera]
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I have a high metabolism, and that has led me to a hypoglycemic state before, so from experience, the best thing to get someone through the last bit of training is a sports drink or some soda (noncaffeinated would be best). It can be really hard to guess. I've been in situations where I thought for sure my blood sugar was too low, and then there were times I was certain I would be fine, only to have the dizzyness and weakness hit me from out of nowhere. (a football game is one of the last places you want that to happen, that I know from experience)

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#334745 - 09/02/05 07:38 AM Re: Student with diabetes [Re: BuDoc]
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Quote:

Depending on the age of your student, my guess would be that this is not their first foray into physical activity/excercise.

They will probably already know when to eat and/or take their meds to prevent "getting low".

Watch for signs off nausea, weakness, perfuse sweating( not a good indicator in this instance).

Having some crackers or hard candy on hand wouldn't be a bad idea.

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Agreed. No one knows more about diabetes and its limitations than the diabetic in question. Keep a can of coke (not diet obviously) on hand, as it is easier for them to ingest if disorientated. Be mindful that if they over do things and need to take a break, this is probably not them 'wussing out', and is not the time to punish them with 20 knuckle push ups
Steve Redgrave the 5 time olympic rowing champion is type 2 diabetic. It does not stop high level performance when managed properly.
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#334746 - 09/02/05 09:24 AM Re: Student with diabetes [Re: Cord]
Raul Perez Offline
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I've had a diabetic student at the dojo once. He actually did get too low on sugar and went faint. Luckily he had a candy bar on him to bring it back up.

Honestly I would suggest keeping sugar packets or honey (never spoils) on hand. In my first aid class that I had they suggested this.
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#334747 - 09/06/05 10:34 AM Student with diabetes [Re: Raul Perez]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
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Loc: East Coast, United States
Hello

<<I've had a diabetic student at the dojo once.

It is quite likely that you've had several diabetic folks at the dojo but one of the two of you were probably unaware of that fact... or perhaps both of you were unaware. It is not a scare tactic, but in what is known as Type 2 diabetes, (aka Adult Onset Diabetes) most have no idea they possess the illness-condition, until they are actually diagnosed. It can be that subtle, unless somone knows what to look for... it is a bone-fide Epidemic and shows no signs of decreasing.

Now back to your post, in the event of LOW blood sugar (regardless of the type of diabetes) a candy bar would not be the ideal "cure", or frankly even a slightly good one from the standpoint it will take a longer time to breakdown the nutrients, and when you add in the Chocolate, the fats... (ie getting access to the sugars in the candybar...) it is a very poor choice... of the many available anyway.

Consider instead something you can get at any pharmacy, and many grocery stores these days called GLUCOSE Gel which comes in a small tube. It is a brand name product which has many generic variations these days all of which defacto are essentially a small tubes of cake icing +/-. (ie which btw is also a viable alternative in place of the brand name Glutose product, simply some tubes of the normal cake icing that you get at the grocery store)

In terms of an emergency, or even a small incident, it requires nothing except removing the cap and squeezing the tubes contents into the diabetics mouth... (typically in 2 or 3 squeezes to prevent spillage/gagging... if you squeezed the entire thing in...)

As a cure for a low bloodsugar incident, it's a little over the top most times but if/when woozy or unable to communicate clearly it does the trick, fast and easy... 15-30 minutes.

Ask your student what they want you to do if/when they are "low" (aka Hypoglycemic, aka HYPO, shocky, etc., etc.). But the small tubes of cake icing, or the Glutose Gel are an easy addition to the First Aid Kit and a heck of a lot easier than a can of NORMAL soda, Smarties Candies, whatever the typical solution-cure for a "low" sugar might be. It fits into the first aid kit, cheap, lasts forever, just like on the grocery store shelves). Easily eaten even by combative diabetics... (there's a pun there someplace)

Its merely my opinion, and I could SURELY be mistaken,
Jeff

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#334748 - 10/10/05 11:02 AM Re: Student with diabetes [Re: davera]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 3113
Loc: East Coast, United States
Good Morning Davera:

What word re: your diabetic student/s? Did you acquire a plan or modifications of same specific to their condition?

Jeff

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#334749 - 10/18/05 11:18 AM Student with diabetes [Re: Ronin1966]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 3113
Loc: East Coast, United States
I'm surprised given the HEAVY viewing traffic, more folks have not commented, or asked more questions re: diabetes and the respective arts, even given the forum???

Diabetes is a serious illness which its many potential challenges demand a literal plan (sic Business and otherwise) how to cope with the assorted issues/challenges if even purely from the business standpoint. Given the potential seriousness I am genuinely surprised more traffic has not been generated....

Jeff

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#334750 - 10/18/05 05:03 PM Re: Student with diabetes [Re: davera]
Neko456 Offline
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Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 3260
Loc: Midwest City, Ok, USA
The kind of excirses the MA offers is good for the students that suffer from this type diease as long as he eats well, takes his medication and excirsise it wil help his body ward off the affects of this diease. His stamina may start lacking he may tire quickly, he may show no ill effect because the condition he is in. He may not heal as quickly as a normal. He/she should be able to participate in all MA activities except heavy full contact sparring, where 6 or more 3 minuets rounds are required. Unless he/she is tip top shape.

The MAs is one of the best Aerobic and Energy challenging classes for a person of this illiness.
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