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#334697 - 10/03/05 11:04 PM Re: Small Dojo, Big Profits Manual [Re: Mike_Massie]
harlan Offline
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You do yourself a disservice by being so quick to reply. Budoc is not online often (due to his unique profession)...and as previous posts indicated...further communication was to be with Budoc directly.

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#334698 - 10/04/05 09:47 AM Re: Small Dojo, Big Profits Manual [Re: Mike_Massie]
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Gentlemen,
If you care to work the matter out please do so in private.

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#334699 - 08/10/07 10:02 PM Re: Small Dojo, Big Profits Manual [Re: harlan]
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Hey, I forgot about this thread. for the record, Budoc did indeed eventually receive this book and was nice enough to arrainge for me to read it. The secret to having a small dojo (which, if I remember right, is defined as 50-100 students), yet have large profits?...***charge as much as you can get away with per student and do paid seminars***

brilliant. a profound masterpeice which causes one to reread and rethink the structures within 'The Weath of Nations'.

actually, it wasn't that bad of a read and had some decent humor. but the whole time you are reading it, you get the sense you are being talked to by a likeable used car salesman who adds in interesting ancedotal stories while he's not really providing you any special deals.

Not that I'm qualified, however, I give it a '7' for presentation and a '2' for content....then again, I'm the type that would talk to someone with good stories trying to sell me something for hours, and then never buy anything.

but what do I know, I've never run a 'small' dojo, nor have I ever made 'big' profits. most I know do those two things as separate professions.

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#334700 - 08/11/07 04:49 PM Re: Small Dojo, Big Profits Manual [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Seminars as an integral aspect of gleaning profit? Who would have thought? Reminds me of the current problem in Massachusetts schools. The kids HAVE to pass these state exams, called MCAS. I've discovered that most of the curriculum, and time spent during the year is geared to passing these tests...not to learning. Wonder how a 'sensei' manages to bring along students to the best of their ability...if his time is spent geared up for seminars/promoting?

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#334701 - 08/11/07 08:47 PM Re: Small Dojo, Big Profits Manual [Re: harlan]
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"No Budoka Left Behind" ?

exactly. and an excellent comparrison.
I can just see mcdojo victims being shown something and one kid raising his hand asking if this material will be on the test.

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#334702 - 08/12/07 01:50 AM Re: Small Dojo, Big Profits Manual [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Charge as much as you can per student and hold seminars. Brilliant, sheer brilliance. (\end sarcasm) Thank you Ed, and Dr. Page, you just saved me the time of actually reading the book. Someday, if I do get out of the military and open my own school, I have all the key knowledge needed to make a profit.

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#334703 - 08/20/07 02:13 PM Re: Small Dojo, Big Profits Manual [Re: JoelM]
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mr massie,

i read your website a lot, and i'm going to buy your book. i sent a copy of your website to my web guy, and he liked your site a lot too. besides "by my book", what advice could you give a uneducated traditional fart like, me, who doesnt teach kids?

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#334704 - 08/20/07 03:56 PM Re: Small Dojo, Big Profits Manual [Re: ironsifu]
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Quote:

...besides "by my book", what advice could you give a uneducated traditional fart like, me,...



"buy TWO books" ?

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#334705 - 08/21/07 05:32 PM Re: Small Dojo, Big Profits Manual [Re: Ed_Morris]
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i think what makes a guy mcdojo, is, he doesnt have any knowledge to start with, so they add other "service" like after school birthday party, karate clowns, etc. also, they make a guy a black belt in 3 years or something. but theres a lot you can learn from the big schools. when i was starting, i only cared, make the best fighters in town. sometimes it went to my head and i lost students. i still want the best fighters in town, but now, i learned you have to pay the expert to bring them in, you pay the expert to do the talking, then i teach. i even learn how to teach when the students is a little soft. my new idea is, a good teacher is not just one who can teach you to kick some ass, but is can i teach a wimp to fight. the answer, yes i can, but i have to find a way to get his sissy self to stay in the school.

another book, i read takes about "black belt eyes". we advertise how it looks for us, and the fighters and teachers. but most guys on the street are scared to fight, that's why he wants to learn. we have to use the white belt eyes to get him in the door, then toughen him a lil bit, until he's ready to drop in the water (its a saying, when you make a sword, you have to get the matal red hot, almost white, almost about to soft, then you drop it in the water. this makes it hard). i dont think every big school is mcdojo. but of course, the ones with music forms, and 6 years old black belters, they are the ones with "mc black belt specials"!

some of the best fighters around, cung le, rorion gracy, toddy sitiwatjana (fairtex gym), shamrock brothers, they all have huge, nice building with hundred$ of students.

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#334706 - 09/16/07 06:26 PM Re: Small Dojo, Big Profits Manual [Re: ironsifu]
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Registered: 12/14/02
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Loc: CA
Wow. I have had this book for years and read it many times. It is now finally time for me to begin my own classes, moving toward opening my own school and I plan to use Massey's advice. I am surprised at all this hubbub over nothing. Don't buy the book if you don't want to. IMO it doesn't hurt to listen to someone who has already made some mistakes and has learned from them. Of course being the stubborn and independent person that I am, I have had to learn the hard way that it's not such a bad thing to not re-invent the wheel. Finally I am old enough to LISTEN to someone else, even though I still know everything. (That was meant toungue in cheek.) I like this book. I think the author has been treated unfairly here.

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