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#332211 - 04/02/07 12:18 PM Re: in the ring. [Re: Jer_sm]
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well sparring sorta prepares you for the real thing. so i guess im talking about both.




Sparring of course, is different from a bout. As you are talking about fighting under the amateur code, there are things you must consider.

Sparring is a training tool. It allows you to work on everything. It is a practice run for the real thing. Work on what your coaches show you.

In the amateur code, their are 4 x 2 minute rounds. Invariably, and you can look at amateur bouts on TV for this, the person who is leading by the end of the second round normally wins the fight.

Due to the nature of scoring in the amateur code, emphasis is not put on power. It is put on accuracy and defensive skill. There are very few KO's in the Olympics. And of those bouts that are stopped, most are done under the 20 point rule,

In the amateur code, you should only feel someone out for the first minute. After that, every second counts. You must make sure you are a)in the lead by the end of the second round b) within a point or two at the least.

If you are concerned with being successful in the amateurs, you should concentrate on defensive skill and learning to land single shots successfully. That is not to say you should not throw combos, only that you should always try to land accurate shots. If you enter an exchange with a boxer in the amateur code, and you throw five shots, one of which lands cleanly in a scoring area, but get got with the single shot your oppoenent throws back, the score will be 1:1. Less is more in the amateurs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVCSegJR4Bs

Here is an example of what it is like. This is Andre Ward of the USA beating Magomed Aripgadjiev of Belarus in the 2004 Olympic Light-Heavy final. Note that most of the scoring shots are single shots, single point awarded each time. Ward leads of his jab at the start to close in on his opponent, but this combo is not designed to score multi points, it is designed to close in to score a single shot. Generally jabs aren't scored.

Very few combos in the above clip. Combos in amateur boxing are used to set up the single shot.

There are some single shots thrown in succesion in the above, but the small time difference means they aren't combos as such i.e. they're not thrown together in sequence.
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#332212 - 04/02/07 04:39 PM Re: in the ring. [Re: Prizewriter]
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those are some interesting tactics taison.

and ty Prizewriter for that video, i like it. i can see how amateur is much different. i do have a question though. if you do throw a combo and all the shots land clean. you get em all right? like a 3 hit combo.
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#332213 - 04/02/07 06:54 PM Re: in the ring. [Re: Jer_sm]
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The very first thing I try to take notice of is my opponents footwork and timing. Once Ive got it, Ill use it. Now he thinks he has my timing down, but he doesnt. When Im defending and attacking my footwork is going to be faster than the pace Im going when Im out in the open establishing distance.

After Ive established his timing and rythm, then I establish his range. How close do I have to be to hurt him and where can I retreat to and be safe? Ideally I want to be able to move fast enough to come in and out or even just keep him swinging as Im just outside his reach. thats gonna do alot of damage to his stamina. Its also going to make it easier for me to bob and weave, slip, or counter.

By the time Ive established his timing and his range, its time for me to find that one weakness Im going to exploit. This is the hardest part of the fight. His weakness could be anything. He could have a slow jab, or a weak jab. He could leave an opening during a specific attack, he might have poor footwork or sloppy defense. It could be anything but once Ive found it, thats going to dictate any further action from me. If its an exposed rib then Im going to stay just out uf his range, let him expose himself, since Im already at his pace its going to be easy for me to land my spot especially if its in a predetermined fashion.
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#332214 - 04/02/07 07:57 PM Re: in the ring. [Re: Chen Zen]
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nice chen, i guess you are more of an out fighter?

Peopel really underestimate how smart fighters are. They think fighter are just a bunch of knuckle heads trading blows for fun.
its really a mind game, mentally and physically.
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#332215 - 04/02/07 08:01 PM Re: in the ring. [Re: Jer_sm]
Chen Zen Offline
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Yes, Im an outfighter, who goes in when staying out doesnt work, and who takes it to the ground when simply staying inside isnt enough.
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#332216 - 04/02/07 11:31 PM Re: in the ring. [Re: Chen Zen]
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My first fight I charged across the ring and banged away until I knocked him on his butt. My last fight I lost. My best fight I started out on defense counter punching until I was confident he couldn’t hurt me. Then I went on the offensive and won.

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#332217 - 04/03/07 04:24 AM Re: in the ring. [Re: Chen Zen]
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Taison = Jack Dempsey/Rocky Marciano hybrid.
Chen = Tomas Hearns/Ali hybrid.

Chen if you learn the flicker jab, then you'd be awesome, seriously!

-Taison out
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#332218 - 04/03/07 08:01 AM Re: in the ring. [Re: Jer_sm]
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In theory, that is correct. In practice, you have 5 judges seated at various positions round the ring. They have a electronic panels with a red button and a blue button (for each boxer, naturally). 3 of the 5 judges must press the button within a second of each other to register the point.

If you throw a lighting fast combo and all of 'em land, chances are the judges, being human, won't see them all.

The Germans were the first to notice this and take advantage of it. They designed a system whereby youngsters are taught to throw single, accurate shots, or combos that set up a single shot, as it is the most economical way to score points.

In amateurs, it is better to land 3 clean single shots in a round, than land a 3-punch combo. The former will almost certainly get you 3 points, the latter will probably get 1. Its the nature of the beast.
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#332219 - 04/03/07 02:54 PM Re: in the ring. [Re: Jer_sm]
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while i don't have much kickboxing experience,i do have some karate experience. however, in terms of the ring, i guess they kinda overlap?

personally, i like to fight strategically. i would take the beginning trying to see how the opponent fights (with your jabs or leg kicks or whatever technique is best suited), and then start moving in and exploiting weaknesses.

that method might not be to good under time constraints, but that's how i'd do it.
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#332220 - 04/04/07 01:50 AM Re: in the ring. [Re: Taison]
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Im not sure if a flicker jab is any different than what I use or not but I work my jab and my backfist constantly.
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