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#331973 - 05/27/07 10:53 PM Re: Silat [Re: Victor Smith]
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Thank Silat.


Couldn't help myself.

#331974 - 05/29/07 05:51 AM Re: Silat [Re: Victor Smith]
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The techniques are good. Yes they seem to not have a lot of practice yet but they perform well. Harimau is a very good style. Very very effective for any type of situations.

The importance is how you practice. We do combat at least once a week and sometimes more at fast speed, no protection and no rules. We just try to make sure the other guy can go to work or school the next day.

And for those who are about to say"It wont work in the UFC!" Well the UFC is a sport not a street attack or Death or Life situation. It has rules, many rules. I have practice with people that fight in cages. They soften up their silat techniques for the cage. There is no eye gouging or biting or striking certain dangerous zones. The UFC or PRIDE has rules by which each fighter abides and his training revolves around it. One fights the way you practice. This has got to do a lot with proprioception. Yes a guy from the UFC could possibly kill a guy with one punch just like any white belt could possibly do so. The UFC has a lot of experience in duel or rule matches but is very different training for combat. In combat your goal is to train to destroy or injure your opppnent almost immediately. Which this is the main and true purpose of Silat. True Silat does not focus on submitting. In True Silat not sport Silat, when you put someone in a submission he or she probably is already badly hurt. In UFC most grapplers try to clinch and take down. You cannot eye gouge or bite or rip in the UFC therefore fighters go for the takedown without having to worry to cover their eyes, neck or groin or the inside or their arms. So please if someone has to say something about this would not work in the cage, please try to fight without rules and protection than talk. But fight with good technique not just like barbrawl style.

#331975 - 06/03/07 04:40 AM Re: Silat [Re: shantungks]
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While some folks say that they've heard of someone representing Silat badly in an early UFC, I have never seen the Silat that I know in any competition ever. Real Silat has no sport aspect, short of some sparring in very controlled conditions.

#331976 - 06/03/07 09:20 AM Re: Silat [Re: Jim_Judy]
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Using the UFC is a sport excuse could be viewed as a false premise.

I mean, you still have to TRAIN don't you? You do SPAR don't you?

One thing you guys forget is that the rules in the UFC are the same for EVERYONE. Sort of deflates the argument doesn't it?


#331977 - 06/04/07 04:21 AM Re: Silat [Re: JKogas]
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Not really. No.

Here are the main points that tend to "inflate the argument".


Weight classes:
Lightweight - over 145 lbs. to 155 lbs.
Welterweight - over 155 lbs. to 170 lbs.
Middleweight - over 170 lbs. to 185 lbs.
Light Heavyweight - over 185 lbs. to 205 lbs.
Heavyweight - over 205 lbs. to 265 lbs.

Bout duration:
All non-championship bouts shall be three rounds.
All championship bouts shall be five rounds.
Rounds will be five minutes in duration.
A one-minute rest period will occur between each round.

1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.

Ways To Win:
1. Submission by:
Physical tap out.
Verbal tap out.
2. Technical knockout by the referee stopping the contest.
3. Decision via the scorecards, including:
Unanimous decision.
Split decision.
Majority decision.
Draw, including:
Unanimous draw.
Majority draw.
Split draw.
4. Technical decision.
5. Technical draw.
6. Disqualification.
7. Forfeit.
8. No contest.

Referee may Restart the round:
If the fighters reach a stalemate and do not work to improve position or finish.


If you can't see the diff, then you are truly lost in some MMA Fantasyland. Good luck with your sport.

Edited by Jim_Judy (06/04/07 04:24 AM)

#331978 - 06/04/07 02:03 PM Re: Silat [Re: Jim_Judy]
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Posts: 38
JKogas,But sparring with rules and WITHOUT rules is a world of a difference. Imagine someone whos main technique is clawing or ripping, MMA does not alloewd that and the gloves restrict you a lot. The rules are the same for EVERYONE WHO FIGHTS IN THE UFC and for he who TRAINS for the UFC or PRIDE not for someone who trains to destroy o incapacitate inmediately an opponent such as in life or death situation. If you take more 5 seconds to incapacitate someone in a life or death situation you are in serios trouble.

MMA is NOT the ultimate way for fighting for a tournament of that sort yes or maybe even a bar brawl not for anything beyond that.

In the above post Jim_Judy wrote some of the fouls. The first 13 I do without even thinking about it. And from 14 to 21 if giving the chance I will do them.
The rules apply to everyone and therefore he who becomes great fighting under those conditions will do great in those fights.
We do spar but when we spar is not just punch, punch, kick, kick and take down. We use anything and everything and that is how we get use to sparring and fighting. You think people that train like that will do great in the UFC or PRIDE. Bitting the neck givs a great advantage on someone who clinchis keeps their body close to you while your hands and legs are opne for what ever. If it tears off you can stick your finger in there and stimulate the Vagus nerve and carotid receptors very nicely. Stomping comes to me by reflex. dont even think about out. I am good fighter, will I make it in the UFC? Maybe if I train with those limitations and get use my brain for that type of sparring.
Oyeah for us technique is very very important in order for an application to work and weight or size should not be a limiting factor.

Edited by shantungks (06/04/07 02:20 PM)

#331979 - 06/05/07 09:15 PM Re: Silat [Re: shantungks]
azhar Offline

Registered: 04/24/07
Posts: 1
First of all please forgive me if certain words/sentences used might give some bad intrepration to some of you, my English is not really good. I'm Azhar, a Malay guy from Malaysia. I learn Silat was I was 14 till 23 years olds stop for almost 11 years, this years I return back to my "gelanggang" (Dojo / Training Ring). I've learn a little bit of TKD (ITF), Kung-Fu Sanda and others Silat style.
After married for 11 years I put on weight almost 100kgs and my cardiologist gave me 3 months to rectified the back to the gelanggang.
In the early stage of my Silat adventure, I was so curious about how effective and practicable Silat is, compared to Kung-Fu, TKD and Karate...So I start to learn fatal strike (silat- that time I'm only 3rd belt) and make some experimence. I join TKD very fequent I do spar with my master and a few black belt (in TKD ITF Rule). Supplied with a tough and robust + painfull training including the spirit of Pendekar I beat them all (except my master....), they all knew i was a Silat Boy and they always think twice when sparring with me...God, time goes by and i have a wonderful experience with them (TKD)...after 2 years in TKD I realize that what ever style you learn the result is back to you...My TKD Master told me time goes by in learning martial will raelize that martial Arts Traing is just a form of exercise.
Back to Silat....yes most of the videos that you watch seem not really convicing. Actually its very hard to explain silat, there is a few stages in silat
1. Basic kicking and punching - most of Silat style lack of this - reason for me to learn TKD (beautiful movement)
2. Basic blocking.
3. Death lock
4. Combat
5. Fatal strike
6. Secret strike (highest level)
1~ 6 is only ment for hand fighting

In fighting kicking and punching goes first followed by either fatal strike or combat. This fatal stike and combat should be deliver witihn 2~6 second...6 second seem tooo long ehhh. No itsn't..the secret of death lock, fatal strike and combat was the first strike landed to the attacker. If this strike was delivered correctly, the attacker will be paralyze or its buy you all the time or total control to your attacker.

I think that all this time, only able to answer you all in 3 days.

#331980 - 06/05/07 10:29 PM Re: Silat [Re: shantungks]
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Loc: York PA. USA
Quote by shantungks -


Bitting the neck givs a great advantage on someone who clinchis keeps their body close to you while your hands and legs are opne for what ever. If it tears off you can stick your finger in there and stimulate the Vagus nerve and carotid receptors very nicely.

Oh. My. God.
"In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin

#331981 - 06/06/07 03:07 AM Re: Silat [Re: MattJ]
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Well, that definitely violates Rule#3: No Biting, & Rule#7: Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.

#331982 - 06/06/07 11:18 PM Re: Silat [Re: shantungks]
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Registered: 06/26/06
Posts: 620
Loc: Dayton, Ohio

Bitting the neck givs a great advantage on someone who clinchis keeps their body close to you while your hands and legs are opne for what ever. If it tears off you can stick your finger in there and stimulate the Vagus nerve and carotid receptors very nicely

Have you ever seen the vagus nerve? I can almost guarantee you have never seen a carotid receptor.

.... On second thought, I'll just keep my mouth shut.
Tony Partlow Shogen-Ryu Karate-Do Minamoto Shibu Dojo

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