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#330991 - 03/27/07 09:18 AM Systema demo
MattJ Offline
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Registered: 11/25/04
Posts: 15634
Loc: York PA. USA
I've seen some good ones.......but this ain't one of them. Some very questionable stuff, although I liked the high RH kick defense at 0:41.
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#330992 - 03/27/07 09:32 AM Re: Systema demo [Re: MattJ]
Tom2199 Offline

Registered: 04/18/04
Posts: 834
Loc: England
if it was that easy to takes someones legs out with your own id be doing it in the grapple ever 5 seconds

how many BJJers would have taken his legs? wait how many BJJ white belts...

i thought it was fact you had more control and mobility in your arms then your legs lol

#330993 - 03/27/07 10:31 AM Re: Systema demo [Re: MattJ]
JoelM Offline
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Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 6355
Loc: Georgia, USA
Duh...I've got an AK, he's got a knife. Let's hit him with the gun.

We should all take ourselves seriously...and then crumple that image up and toss it out the window.

#330994 - 03/27/07 10:38 AM Re: Systema demo [Re: Tom2199]
alext Offline

Registered: 03/13/07
Posts: 36
Well I dont really rate it as a martial art, but it does give whats needed in a...survival army combat situation.

There were a few things that did seem wierd though. The over emphasis on taking the knife, an off balance spin, and a roll that if gone wrong, could be devistating in a real situation. Also ...where in combat does someone hit you with the nosel of a gun ?

I think a few of the things they were missing were.
"actions to take as someone holds a gun up to shoot you"
"actions to take as someone draws a handgun"
"actions to take whilst on the floor"
After all, I would have thought hand to hand combat like that would be rare :P

#330995 - 03/27/07 10:39 AM Re: Systema demo [Re: JoelM]
Zombie Zero Offline
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Registered: 06/17/05
Posts: 1993
Loc: Lorton, VA

Duh...I've got an AK, he's got a knife. Let's hit him with the gun.

I was wondering about that myself. He's swinging a knife at me, so I'll cross my rifle over my arms, using it to deflect the blows? Neh-eh.

I can comfortably say I'll never be in a situation where I'll be attacked by a knife-wielding assailant while I'm holding an assault rifle. But if I were, you can bet my first reaction would be to start stress-testing that trigger.

#330996 - 03/27/07 10:41 AM Re: Systema demo [Re: JoelM]
alext Offline

Registered: 03/13/07
Posts: 36

Duh...I've got an AK, he's got a knife. Let's hit him with the gun.

he could have luckily fired his last round into the wall as you did a rolling kick into his chest! :P

#330997 - 03/27/07 11:07 AM Re: Systema demo [Re: Tom2199]
AkhilleusWeeps Offline

Registered: 04/11/05
Posts: 214
Loc: Tx
I thought the exact same thing Tom. That was obviously a technique too "dangerous" to use on a resisting opponent. *note sarcasm*

Systema to me, is like Russian Aikido. Not take anything from Aikido but for a system that's supposed to be used in combat, performed by soldiers, it's so overly based on theory.

I think MACP is a better approach.
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#330998 - 03/27/07 11:11 AM Re: Systema demo [Re: MattJ]
JasonM Offline
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Registered: 03/17/05
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Man, was he break dancing? When he was on his back spinning his legs..It looked very close to the windmill..
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#330999 - 03/27/07 11:58 AM Re: Systema demo [Re: JasonM]
Cord Offline

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
A lot of the stuff in the first 2 minutes looked very similar to certain aspects of Taijutsu, and the 'breakdancing' drills are their kind of ukemi i guess.
The thing is, that the biomechanics of it all are sound, and it looks lovely when you have aguy who is compliant to it all, but I bet to hell and back that guy wouldnt be looking so assured f one of his 'victims' just came out swingin' full force. Theory and application, the old acid test, and it wasn;t taken in this footage.
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#331000 - 03/27/07 09:24 PM Re: Systema demo [Re: MattJ]
Saisho Offline
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Registered: 06/26/06
Posts: 620
Loc: Dayton, Ohio

I've seen some good ones.......

Let me know where, I've been looking.
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