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#330950 - 03/27/07 10:37 PM Re: Eugue Ryu [Re: Karate_Jutsu]
oldman Offline
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Rich,
Where does your group currently train?

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#330951 - 03/27/07 10:51 PM Re: Eugue Ryu [Re: Karate_Jutsu]
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Hi Rich and welcome to the forums.

Quote:

Before anyone says anything, this is not a made up style. Everyone seems to think that it is.






?????Who said anything? What does it really matter??? If I can't trace my style back 1000years does that mean it sucks? I can only trace American Goju back to it's roots(which are not old...Peter Urban and the like...),but things have and always will change, change is a good thing. A good karateka always seeks new knowledge and it may not necessarily be ancient.

Try to keep an open mind here and welcome once again.


Edited by BrianS (03/27/07 10:53 PM)
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#330952 - 03/27/07 11:40 PM Re: Eugue Ryu [Re: BrianS]
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Amen, Brian. I didn't know it, but I used to be a 'lineage snob'. lol -but realized my 'lineage' breaks down somewhere between Okinawa and China during the 1890's ...plus realized how little from that time was likely REALLY passed down.

I'm comfortable with just being proud and grateful of having/had the teachers that actually taught me...even if they weren't/aren't famous.

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#330953 - 03/28/07 08:07 AM Re: Eugue Ryu [Re: hedkikr]
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Quote:

How do you pronounce the name?

Using a Japanese pronunciation, it would sound like this:
"eh-oo-goo-eh". This doesn't sound anything remotely Japanese (or Okinawan). If I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time but I have a hunch someone slaughtered the name YEARS ago.

Do you have an example of the Kanji so a member well-versed in the language can have a shot @ it?

I have to go w/ Ed on this one. How many people used to claim that their ancestors "came across on the Mayflower" just to build status? Nothing wrong w/ making up a style but chances are high that it's already been done before & any changes, additions or concepts are too minor to be considered "new". That leaves ego as the primary component for becoming soke.

owari




Could it be that Kensenzue Yamaeugue is the japanese pronounciation of Either a Korean or Vietnamese name?

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#330954 - 03/28/07 08:51 AM Re: Eugue Ryu [Re: Ed_Morris]
oldman Offline
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Quote:

Amen, Brian. I didn't know it, but I used to be a 'lineage snob'. lol -but realized my 'lineage' breaks down somewhere between Okinawa and China during the 1890's ...plus realized how little from that time was likely REALLY passed down.

I'm comfortable with just being proud and grateful of having/had the teachers that actually taught me...even if they weren't/aren't famous.




And thus opens the gates to pardise.

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#330955 - 03/28/07 06:18 PM Re: Eugue Ryu [Re: oldman]
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Rich,
Where does your group currently train?



Sorry it is taking me so long to respond, i have been pretty busy. At the moment, our class is held here in Kansas, in The Armourdale Community Center, do to lack of funds. But, as soon as we have the money we will open a private dojo, again.

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#330956 - 03/28/07 06:23 PM Re: Eugue Ryu [Re: BrianS]
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Quote:

Hi Rich and welcome to the forums.

Quote:

Before anyone says anything, this is not a made up style. Everyone seems to think that it is.






?????Who said anything? What does it really matter??? If I can't trace my style back 1000years does that mean it sucks? I can only trace American Goju back to it's roots(which are not old...Peter Urban and the like...),but things have and always will change, change is a good thing. A good karateka always seeks new knowledge and it may not necessarily be ancient.

Try to keep an open mind here and welcome once again.



Hello, BrianS, you are right, it does not matter when your style was started, but more, the quality of the teaching. And the teachers we do have, are very skillful, as well as wise. I am proud to be part of this school.

On another note, when I first started this style, I had been looking for a Goju Ryu school, but failed to find one. In 1 year, I am traveling to Okinawa, and I plan to start learning Goju Ryu while there.

Hope everyone is doing great.

Yours in the spirit of Budo,
Richard

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#330957 - 05/04/07 07:44 PM Re: Eugue Ryu [Re: Karate_Jutsu]
SamuraiDave Offline
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Registered: 05/04/07
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Loc: Wellington, Somerset, England
As far as I am aware, Kensenzu Yamaegue (hence Eugue from Yama-egue) was a Japanese or Okinawan martial artist who spent some (or alot) of time in Korea teaching (not sure about Vietnam though possible). Ray Flowers learned from him and his top students when Yamaegue was rather old I believe. Sensei Flowers brought it back to the US where he was eventually succeeded by Sensei Oscar Adams and then Sensei Michael Young. There is some confusion about our actual origins since Sensei Flowers was an American GI (I believe) training in a foreign land and in a foreign culture and after so many years the various generations of instructors have passed on less material about our origins (history is not everyone's favorite course, lol). Under Sensei Adams we progressed from a primarily karate-jitsu and jujitsu art to a more Karate-do and Judo art since Sensei Adams was already ranked in Kodokan Judo before he trained in our form. Recently we have changed mostly back to the original jujitsu art form. I think I am primarily correct in this history but forgive me if I am not 100% sure.
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#330958 - 05/04/07 10:40 PM Re: Eugue Ryu [Re: Ed_Morris]
jude33 Offline
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Quote:

Amen, Brian. I didn't know it, but I used to be a 'lineage snob'. lol -but realized my 'lineage' breaks down somewhere between Okinawa and China during the 1890's ...plus realized how little from that time was likely REALLY passed down.

I'm comfortable with just being proud and grateful of having/had the teachers that actually taught me...even if they weren't/aren't famous.




Hi Ed

Little was passed down?
Could you explain please?
Jude

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#330959 - 05/04/07 10:42 PM Re: Eugue Ryu [Re: SamuraiDave]
jude33 Offline
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Quote:

As far as I am aware, Kensenzu Yamaegue (hence Eugue from Yama-egue) was a Japanese or Okinawan martial artist who spent some (or alot) of time in Korea teaching (not sure about Vietnam though possible). Ray Flowers learned from him and his top students when Yamaegue was rather old I believe. Sensei Flowers brought it back to the US where he was eventually succeeded by Sensei Oscar Adams and then Sensei Michael Young. There is some confusion about our actual origins since Sensei Flowers was an American GI (I believe) training in a foreign land and in a foreign culture and after so many years the various generations of instructors have passed on less material about our origins (history is not everyone's favorite course, lol). Under Sensei Adams we progressed from a primarily karate-jitsu and jujitsu art to a more Karate-do and Judo art since Sensei Adams was already ranked in Kodokan Judo before he trained in our form. Recently we have changed mostly back to the original jujitsu art form. I think I am primarily correct in this history but forgive me if I am not 100% sure.




Hi

Sounds some what like wado?
Any comparisons?
Jude

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