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#330405 - 03/03/08 10:07 AM Re: Stomach 5 [Re: underdog]
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Registered: 01/22/08
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Hi


Gavin was the former mod I was refering to?

The points regarding the diuranal cycle etc were obviously for him.

You can look back to his posts see if im right, then ask him if he believes in all that stuff now if you like?

No you're wrong again, ST5 is not a mental foramen?

It does not come out of a hole it lies in a groove which Ive named previously.

It is this place which is designated ST5.

Get a medical dictionary, the nerve lies in the facial artery groove.

It comes up from the neck across the facial artery groove and over onto the face.

The poor guy probably couldnt find it because you said it was in a hole, it is not.

Gav talked about the cycles etc which are irrelevent and you dont know body anatomy.

As someone who does kyusho I dont agree with people who dont know what they're on about making it up and putting it oput as fact.

If you dont know something as basic as what ST5 is anatomically your grades are worthless.

What difference does it make who reads it student or expert if your wrong your wrong?

tc

H


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#330406 - 03/03/08 11:39 AM Re: Stomach 5 [Re: kyushoperson]
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I never said St 5 was the mental foramen. There are many foramen. The mental foramen is very much forward of stomach 5. It is inferior and medial to St 4. Groove/hole. Feels the same to someone trying to find it. To quote the Qdex I have right here, "Anerior to the angle of the mandible, on the anterior border of the attached portion of the masseter muscle, in the groove-like depression appearing when the cheek is bulged." That is my last word on the subject. Hereafter, I declare you correct in all things. You can argue by yourself. Ask the administrator if you can be the new PP moderator. They need one.
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#330407 - 03/03/08 11:48 AM Re: Stomach 5 [Re: kyushoperson]
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Hi Hel, (hope you don't mind me calling you that...just presuming coz you called me Gav. I'm assuming we're mates!)

I think you really should go back and actually read what I wrote. I think you'll find I put it up as something for discussion, not as gospel truth....much the same as my stuff now. If I remember you correctly weren't you being extremely vocal but not exactly forthcoming with much information yourself previously. In fact, if I remember correctly didn't you used to be KyushoGUY....now your a person called Helen (reading your profile)? I'll apologise if my memories a bit fuzzy, or you're not Kyushoguy....otherwise I hope there wasn't any post op problems?

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You can look back to his posts see if im right, then ask him if he believes in all that stuff now if you like?




I think the Shen and Ko cycles are uncannily scarily accurate as is the Chinese clock in terms of tracking energetic changes that manifest physically within the human physiology. Have never advocated in Martial Terms, have asked about them out of curiosity and even shared some of my thoughts and reading at the time....unlike you though I've never promoted myself as someone wot does Kyusho. Would you mind sharing with the class your qualifications as a person wot does Kyusho? I don't remember seeing too many Goju syllabuses with Kyusho as a requirement.

Anyway opinions change as we grow and progress through our lives....well, unless you're an idiot! Ciao!

Gav

PS. This should be fun!!!


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#330408 - 03/03/08 11:58 AM Re: Stomach 5 [Re: Gavin]
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Also found the thread that I mentioned all this stuff in. God I did say I t'was an expert didn't I!

http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...part=1&vc=1


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#330409 - 03/03/08 12:00 PM Re: Stomach 5 [Re: Gavin]
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I stand corrected that St 5 is not a foramen. It feels like a wide hole but it doesn't go through so it is only a groove. I know how to find it and I know how to hit it and I know how to teach others to do the same.
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#330410 - 03/04/08 10:56 AM Re: Stomach 5 [Re: underdog]
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#330411 - 03/04/08 11:57 AM Re: Stomach 5 [Re: kyushoperson]
kyushoperson Offline
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Registered: 01/22/08
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Hi

Gavin your post is too surreal to give creadence to.

Underdog after all the BS and argueing you looked it up and found i was right lol

Maybe you should do that before starting a thread in future?

I'll leave you guys to it.

TC

Helen (a girl)

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#330412 - 03/04/08 12:58 PM Re: Stomach 5 [Re: kyushoperson]
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Registered: 11/04/05
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well, there is this in the opening post which was right on the money:
"A KO is possible if the point is either hit hard enough, or properly set up."

yep, I agree with that, except I'd add that doing BOTH of those things are the ideal. boxers do it all the time - it's called: targeting the chin area. done. thats all you need to know. After you know that, the rest of the time can be spent training and not studying ancient spiritual maps which were altered post-WW2 by overlaying them on western anatomy maps. I could take a astronomical star chart and do the same thing - wouldn't change the fact that boxers can KO each other with gloves on by training to create openings, hit hard and target general areas like the chin.

the rest is new-age fluff, IMO.

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#330413 - 03/04/08 02:46 PM Re: Stomach 5 [Re: kyushoperson]
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I'll eat the humble pie on that one.

With 30+ years of experience which is more than twice my experience, consider asking to be moderator for PP. I think it runs more smoothly with a moderator. The problem is that there aren't many people posting here that are serious about PP study. There are beginners and a lot of people who want to trash it. This seems odd to me. I wouldn't go on another specialty forum to trash what they do, what is so amusing about trashing pressure point study? Anyway, you are probably thicker skinned than me. It got to me after awhile as the forum continued to go downhill.

For the record, it wasn't your correction that provoked me. While I should have not logged on that day for other reasons, and responsibility for my short temper rests with me, it was the generalizations and statements about what I believe and false summary statements about what I had said that got to me. A simple correction would have made me look up the simple fact in my book and apologize. That is what I did a couple hours later after nap time.
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