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#330371 - 03/23/07 10:52 AM Food (and drink) for thought
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Alcohol is ranked almost as harmful as heroin in a controversial new drug classification system proposed by a team of leading scientists.

The class A drug Ecstasy, possession of which can result in a seven-year prison sentence, is placed near the bottom of the league table which lists "harm scores'' for different substances.

LSD, another class A drug, is also considered relatively safe despite its powerful hallucinogenic properties.

Cannabis, recently downgraded to class C, occupies a middle position. It is rated more dangerous than Ecstasy, LSD and the dance floor drug GHB, but less harmful than tobacco.

The table, published in The Lancet medical journal, was drawn up by a team of highly respected scientists led by Professor David Nutt, from the University of Bristol, and Professor Colin Blakemore, chief executive of the Medical Research Council.

It is intended to be a model for policy makers which is more scientifically based than the current Misuse of Drugs Act system that attaches "a, b, and c'' labels to illicit drugs.

The scientists identified three main factors that together determined the harmfulness of a controlled substance.

These were: the physical harm to the individual user caused by the drug, the tendency of the drug to induce dependence, and the effect of the drug's use on families, communities and society.

Each of these categories was split into three sub-components, providing nine parameters of risk.

Independent experts, including psychiatrists, chemists and forensic scientists, were invited to rate each of these parameters on a four-point scale. Zero denoted "no risk'', 1 "some risk'', 2 "moderate risk'' and 3 "extreme risk''.

Scores were combined to produce estimates of harm for each of 20 different drugs.

Unsurprisingly, the results placed heroin at the head of the table with an overall "harm score'' of 2.7, followed by cocaine which scored 2.3.

But more controversially, alcohol is ranked as the fifth most dangerous drug, scoring just under 2 on the table. Tobacco is in ninth position, with a score of 1.7. Ecstasy is listed at number 18 and scores just over 1.1.

Speaking at a news briefing in London, Prof Blakemore said: "Alcohol and tobacco are way up there in the league table, with alcohol being not very far behind demonised terrors of the street like heroin.''

He pointed out that at present there was no rational, evidence-based method for assessing the harmfulness of drugs. "We have tried to develop such a method,'' said Prof Blakemore.

"We hope that policy makers will take note of the fact that the resulting ranking of drugs differs substantially from their classification in the Misuse of Drugs Act and that alcohol and tobacco are judged more harmful than many illegal substances.''

The scientists said they were not pressing the Government to adopt the new system, but hoped it would spark a debate that might lead to future reforms.




Social perception of 'established' legal narcotics has often had the whiff of hypocrisy (i have heard many in pubs 'putting the world to rights' about 'druggies' as they light up their 15th smoke over their 8th pint of the night), but its refreshing to see such a brave piece of research getting coverage in these politicaly correct times.

the moment this turns into a thread advocating illegal substance abuse, I will lock it- thats not the point, it is a chance to examine our perception of what wetern culture sees as acceptable and why.
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#330372 - 03/23/07 11:56 AM Re: Food (and drink) for thought [Re: Cord]
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I have always wondered how tobacco remains legal in the face of crushing amounts of negative data against it.

Alcohol is much better in that regard, although the potential for abuse with it is very high. And at least alcohol has some nutritional/health value to it.
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#330373 - 03/23/07 03:31 PM Re: Food (and drink) for thought [Re: MattJ]
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I have always wondered how tobacco remains legal in the face of crushing amounts of negative data against it.




Lots and lots of money.

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Alcohol is much better in that regard, although the potential for abuse with it is very high. And at least alcohol has some nutritional/health value to it.




Does it? As I understand it, most of the health benefits of drinking wine, for example, can be got by drinking grape juice.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=15553

P.S. If you're looking for anti-oxidants, prunes beat anything else you can eat.


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#330374 - 03/23/07 03:53 PM Re: Food (and drink) for thought [Re: Leo_E_49]
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Leo -

Not arguing there are better sources of nutrition. But in comparison to cigarettes, alcohol is an infinitley better source.
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#330375 - 03/23/07 03:54 PM Re: Food (and drink) for thought [Re: MattJ]
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Alcohol is much better in that regard, although the potential for abuse with it is very high. And at least alcohol has some nutritional/health value to it.




But here is social perception in action. Despite all the propaganda regarding cigarrettes, when examined from personal health, and negative impact on society, it has been found that booze is worse.

Think about it- violence, loss of job, vehicle crashes, adultery- all huge negatives, yet when did anyone ever say 'leave it buddy, he's not worth it, you just had one too many cigarettes'

Now i am not saying all should be banned, nor or should be legal. Its the humans interaction with any and all substances that is at the crux of things, but as it stands, the dear lovely foamy buddy of the working guy is clearly in the same league as heroin and cocaine when it comes to its impact on society. That is a sobering thought (pun intended)
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#330376 - 03/23/07 04:07 PM Re: Food (and drink) for thought [Re: Cord]
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Sorry, I may not be making myself clear. I am not a fan of alcohol, and do not partake myself, except very rarely.

I do not dispute alcohol's ill effects on society at large or the individual in question - I have seen the effects in person, many times.

Merely talking a factual comparison of the relative health merits of alcohol in relation to cigarettes. Alcohol could be argued to have some (the US Food and Drug Administraton classifies alcohol as a food (!)), where cigarettes have NONE.
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#330377 - 03/23/07 04:28 PM Re: Food (and drink) for thought [Re: MattJ]
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Interesting article and interesting points by all. After reading all of this is sure makes me think differently.

I just wanted to point out that if a responsible adult were to drink alcohol and only a reasonable amount there are no major health risks to themselves nor others around them. However no amount of smoke is good for the user nor the people around them. I'm sorry, I understand where everybody is coming from and it really gave me some food for thought, but I rank cigarette smoking as more harmful then drinking alcohol.

If a person wants to ruin their life because of alcohol then so be it, not with standing I understand that their actions can affect others plus if drinking and driving then it can effect even more people ... but that is a whole other different venue that I will not get into. However smoking affects all of those around them if they want it or not. You can drink responsibly but smoking you cannot say the same about.

Sorry, not trying to be righteous and please only accept these as my views. My whole life has grown up around alcoholism and smoking. I've never smoked in my life but yes I partake in the consumption of alcohol. Coming from a family of alcoholics/smokers I can see the draw to the alcohol however I also have a brain and am responsible with it.
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#330378 - 03/23/07 05:07 PM Re: Food (and drink) for thought [Re: Cord]
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i hear you cord and mostly agree, however i dont think its possible to be a casual user of heroin?, i dont get cold turkey when i'm not drinking for weeks on end and need to go breaking in someones house to steal a dvd player to sell up the pub for my next pint of IPA...that said in a hypothetical debate in the commons and i am an MP--'what shall we do today then lads, free the 3rd world, save the polar bears, affordable housing to all, no, lets ban booze or ciggies', i'd vote to ban booze for your reasoning, booze is a huge social problem ....personally i've smoked about 3 ciggies in my life and the only time i tried drugs was a 'joint' that nearly had me cough a lung up, no fun!
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#330379 - 03/23/07 05:48 PM Re: Food (and drink) for thought [Re: grumbleweed]
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i hear you cord and mostly agree, however i dont think its possible to be a casual user of heroin?




Actually it is a common misconception that 'one hit and your hooked' with heroin. Many people do not show signs of dependency till a relatively regular pattern of use is in place. The 'hit' from a cigarrette reaches the brain much faster than that of intravenous opiates, and as such is 'easier' to get hooked on.
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#330380 - 03/27/07 10:24 PM Re: Food (and drink) for thought [Re: Cord]
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This reminded me of a funny e-mail I got one time, I can't remember the whole thing but it said sumthin like, in one year humans consume x amount of s**t from drinking bottled water from springs. There is no sh*t in beer because it goes through a distilation process (or sumthin' along those lines) then it said "it's better to drink beer and talk sh*t rather than drink water and be full of sh*t" wish I could find where I printed it out so I could copy it and make it sound funnier.
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