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#330030 - 03/21/07 12:50 PM "too crazy" to beat
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Hi.

So I was out eating with some friends(Lets call the girl Jen, and the guy Jim), when I got wind that an old x-bf of my best friend Jen (were not dating, she and I are just friends) was talking to her saying he doesnt like me and wants to start "drama".

I dont know what I did to acquire this guys anger, I guess just being friends with someone who he still likes is enough. He doesnt want to fight me, and I told her good, because I dont want to fight anyone, ever.

The other person with us, Jim, started talking about how "ill fight him, blah blah blah," just acting tough, when Jen(the girl) said: "He's toO crazy, even if he gets hurt, he will keep punching and punching until your dead. You cant win." The other guy tried to hold his machoism but just left it alone.

That night I started thinking about how to beat someone who is "too crazy" to feel pain.

1: Never ever fight someone. Self Defense is not getting into fights in my book. I never start drama, nor do I want any.

2. Walk away / run away. If he did happen to run into me (for Salt Lake City being so big, its a very small town) just leave it alone, and walk.

3. If those two are not possibilities. How do you handle a situation where you may be backed into a corner, with some who is "too crazy" to feel pain.

I figured that if I already know he is "crazy" like this, go for the eyes, the balls, or the throat. But I would rather do this legally so I dont get into trouble also.

I just want to train for every possible scenario, which I hope never ever happens. But yeah...

Any suggestions?


Edited by vgnpwr801 (03/21/07 01:14 PM)

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#330031 - 03/21/07 01:10 PM Re: "too crazy" to beat [Re: vgnpwr801]
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Quote:

1: Never ever fight someone. Self Defense is not getting into fights in my book. I never start drama, nor do I want any.

2. Walk away / run away. If he did happen to run into me (for Salt Lake City being so big, its a very small town) just leave it alone, and walk.




Finally, someone with common sense! You've made my day.

This has to be one of the first times a thread has been started with this statement right off the bat. Brilliant!

You've got the idea, keep out of trouble. Prevention is better than cure.

That said, crazy people's bones break, joints dislocate and they can get knocked out just like the rest of us. Just because they may or may not feel pain doesn't mean they're unstoppable. A well trained martial artist with experience in full contact sparring (preferably NHB) will definitely be able to deal with such a situation much better than someone who is untrained.


Edited by Leo_E_49 (03/21/07 01:13 PM)
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#330032 - 03/21/07 01:14 PM Re: "too crazy" to beat [Re: vgnpwr801]
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He's toO crazy, even if he gets hurt, he will keep punching and punching until your dead. You cant win.




Garbage. Anybody can be KO'd or submitted. Stay away if you can, but don't buy into all the hyperbole.
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#330033 - 03/21/07 01:27 PM Re: "too crazy" to beat [Re: MattJ]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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Quote:

Garbage. Anybody can be KO'd or submitted. Stay away if you can, but don't buy into all the hyperbole.




Yep, it's just simple biology. Cut off the blood flow to the brain (or instigate the carotid sinus reflex) and any person will be unconscious in seconds. No one is exempt from biology.


Edited by Leo_E_49 (03/21/07 01:29 PM)
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#330034 - 03/21/07 01:28 PM Re: "too crazy" to beat [Re: MattJ]
vgnpwr801 Offline
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I didnt believe her.

Thats why I went through how to in my head later that night.

Just wanted to see if my suggestions were right

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#330035 - 03/21/07 03:21 PM Re: "too crazy" to beat [Re: vgnpwr801]
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Crazy or not, structural damge will stop anyone. How could you walk with a broke leg or punch with a broken arm? Think with a head busted by a frying pan?

Truth is theres nothing that cant be done to a nutcase that cant be done with anyone else with the exception of reasoning with them.

Your first two suggestions are always the best way to go if ya can.
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#330036 - 03/21/07 03:27 PM Re: "too crazy" to beat [Re: vgnpwr801]
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Yep, no one is crazy enough to not be knocked out or choked out, armbared, taken-down, ground and pounded, etc.

It's called, "having more skill".



-John

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#330037 - 03/21/07 07:28 PM Re: "too crazy" to beat [Re: vgnpwr801]
martialarthur Offline
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Maybe the guy was a baresark in a previous life

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#330038 - 03/21/07 10:10 PM Re: "too crazy" to beat [Re: vgnpwr801]
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Hello Vgnpwr801:

You did exactly what you are supposed to do.... what anyone with half a brain will do. Avoid the avoidable, period.

Tough and crazy are different creatures... if I screw up on every level and am forced to the physical route, crazy hit correctly should be stoppable. Tough not likely as simple...
combined eeeeeeesh.

<<I just want to train for every possible scenario

You passed this test... don't fret what might never be. Suggestion, yes... find your instructors and thank them, they will take pride in how this occured! Good job,

Bravo...

Jeff

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#330039 - 03/22/07 08:49 AM Re: "too crazy" to beat [Re: Ronin1966]
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'regular' crazy ie. very aggressive and full of 'red mist' I would agree, it only takes meeting someone who can out fight them and its game over.

'drug' crazy can be a different kettle of fish though, and there is no doubt that people under the influence od strong narcotic stimulants can display greater than normal tolerance to damage, and also continue to function to a higher level with severe injury.
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