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#329979 - 03/21/07 09:16 AM Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him
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Chicago - An off duty police officer was denied service by a bartender, because he was already too inebriated. His response? He mercilessly beat her up.

We're talking about a 6'1", 250lb. officer of the law savagely beating a 5'4", 155lb. woman.

The story - and video of the attack - can be seen HERE

Warning: You may find the video to be shocking and disturbing.

My reason for posting this here is to help give exposure to what happened. The story says the department is 'seeking' to fire him. They should put him in jail. This is someone who is supposed to protect people, not beat the snot out of them.

This scumbag, who is no kind of man, should be entirely ashamed of himself. Not only am I disgusted with him, but with the two men who sat there and did nothing.

I don't want to sound like a VTG here... I'm only 5'6", but if I were there, I'm pretty sure my barstool would've found its way upside this guy's head.

If anyone from the Chigago area is reading this, please call your mayor's office, and DEMAND that this piece of trash be thrown in jail.

(By the way... if you watch the full video, you'll see that after taking the beating, the bartender gets up and continues to talk trash. Not the best idea in the world, but I admire her toughness.)

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#329980 - 03/21/07 10:34 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: Zombie Zero]
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I guess the bartender is tougher than the cop is....maybe they should fire him and hire HER!

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#329981 - 03/21/07 10:41 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: Zombie Zero]
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Wow. That was totally vicious and uncalled for. No excuse for that, the guy should be in jail for assault.
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#329982 - 03/21/07 10:53 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: MattJ]
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He should be fired. He is obviously 'unfit' on a variety of levels.

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#329983 - 03/21/07 03:02 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: harlan]
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Fired? Jail time. Man oh man.

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#329984 - 03/21/07 03:37 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: butterfly]
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I just noticed my typo above. The bartender is 115lbs, not 155. She's feisty as hell, and I don't want to incur the wrath of a spitfire who's been erroneously credited forty pounds.

As for the cop, I don't care how drunk he was, nothing excuses beating a woman like that.

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#329985 - 03/21/07 04:01 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: Zombie Zero]
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jim-what do you tell a woman with a black eye?

mike-nothing, you've already told her once!
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#329986 - 03/21/07 06:56 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: hunterkell]
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HK, dude, in light of the thread, that ain't funny.

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#329987 - 03/22/07 08:19 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: butterfly]
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I agree. There are times when a tacky joke like that would get a giggle, but this isn't one of them.


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#329988 - 03/22/07 09:38 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: Zombie Zero]
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The point of the "tacky joke" is that the incident is soooo serious that making comments about how wrong or terrible the police officer's behavior is as insipid as saying a serial killer is doing "bad things".

Of course it is a terrible thing what he did. Of course he should be fired and criminally charged AND sent to a psychiatrist for evaluation (obviously anyone who would do something like that is experiencing mental diffculties and def should not be trusted with a gun and badge).

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#329989 - 03/22/07 09:49 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: Zombie Zero]
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He is a drunk piece of trash and should go to jail. No different than any other drunken idiot other than that he has also violated the trust of those he works for and with.
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#329990 - 03/22/07 12:53 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: Fletch1]
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Fletch1,

By coming out so hard against this cop (or maybe soon to be ex-cop ??) you prove my point for me. He SHOULD be treated just like everyone else...no better, no worse.

Just like the MA instructor that used his position to gain the trust of parents and then molest children. After he was convicted, the sanctioning body (I can't re which one) took away his Black Belt so that he coudln't do it again.

BTW, PM sent....

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#329991 - 03/22/07 08:59 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving [Re: hunterkell]
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I like the "hero" on his cell phone calling the cops. What a douchebag. Even if you can't kick the guys ass, you do your best and let HER get to safety.

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#329992 - 03/22/07 11:45 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: hunterkell]
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Quote:

Fletch1,

By coming out so hard against this cop (or maybe soon to be ex-cop ??) you prove my point for me. He SHOULD be treated just like everyone else...no better, no worse.

Just like the MA instructor that used his position to gain the trust of parents and then molest children. After he was convicted, the sanctioning body (I can't re which one) took away his Black Belt so that he coudln't do it again.

BTW, PM sent....

Kel




I often get called to review dashboard and jail video when there is a question of whether an officer used excessive or inappropriate force, so I try really hard to keep a balanced perspective. As bad as some things look, you have to understand that the video doesn't tell the whole story and investigations need to go forward without bias or premature judgements.

That being said, in this video I don't see a cop. I see a drunk a$$hole just like I see every Saturday night getting thrown out of the local pool hall. The fact that he has such apparent contempt and disregard for his profession (and mine) really offends me. I'd like to be able to say the barmaid provoked him, threatened him or somehow shared some responsibility in the incident...but I can't. All I saw was an out of control drunk that was trying to hurt somebody and should face the consequences, badge or no badge.

I am a realist though. I don't think the legal consequences should neccesarily be more severe just because he happens to be a police officer. I know that he will likely lose his job and be unable to get another position in Law Enforcement. I know that this consequence is far reaching and will impact his personal and family life for many years if not the rest of his life. His troubles are just starting so, if my gut reaction that he was a "piece of trash" came across as harsh, I stand corrected.


Edited by Fletch1 (03/22/07 11:53 PM)
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#329993 - 03/23/07 08:15 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving [Re: Zombie Zero]
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#329994 - 03/30/07 03:12 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving [Re: Jamoni]
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Alright now don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying that it wouldn't have been my first reaction to give this guy a hook to the jaw out of left field and just try to knock him out, but I like to look at situations from both sides.

So this guy is a cop, and obviously making a scene already (or at least I'm assuming, I can't watch the video. Damn government computers) He's probably already made a very loud mention that he is a cop. I'm just assuming that's what a drunk cop with such low morals would do anyways.

Now for the guy on his phone calling the cops, if he knew he was a cop already there's a pretty good chance that cop is still carrying. I'm from the chicago area and I know that it's a pretty normal thing for cops to carry even off duty. If this guy is drunk and low enough to beat the hell out of a small female just for refusing him service, don't you think he'd probably be low enough to shoot someone on instinct that's proceeding to physically teach him a good life lesson?

Like I said, I'd try to knock him out before he even knew what hit him, but not everyone trains in fighting like just about all of us do, and therefore probably don't have that natural confidence, especially against a 250lb, potentially armed, cop.

Just trying to put another perspective on it.
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#329995 - 03/30/07 03:20 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving [Re: govt_issued]
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Cogent point, govt_issued!
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#329996 - 03/30/07 03:33 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: Zombie Zero]
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Since he was off-duty, if I were in the bar I would have ripped the piece of sh*t's esophogus out. People like that plss me off big time since they make police, (Honest hard-working men and women for the most part), look like garbage. I'd like to see him go to prison

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#329997 - 04/05/07 03:27 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: Curly]
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Considering he is a COP he should be held to a higher standard. He is oblagated to "protect and serve" and that doesn't mean serving a beating for nothing. He is trained to be able to handle himself with control not freak out drunk or not.
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#329998 - 04/10/07 09:50 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: Stormdragon]
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And now, the brother of the cop who beat up the bartender is now under investigation for hitting an off duty cop from DC in a bar. The off duty DC cop needed 6 stitches and filed a complaint with his office. Apparently it was caught on tape and only lasted 6 seconds. Sounds like he was coldcocked to me. They didnt show the 6 second tape on the video I saw. They focussed on his brother and the bartender.

What is wrong with this guys family? I could talk to you and see if we can talk out the problem but WTF, hitting you while you are not looking is much more fun. And if you are a small woman, hell, that is even more enjoyable.

I know cops are under a lot of pressure but nothing justifies what happened to the bartender. And to hit another cop? WTF?

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#329999 - 04/10/07 09:56 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: RazorFoot]
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Sounds pretty much like the cops I'm used to. Now, I know I'm going to 'get it' for saying this, but this was the dysfunctional cop I was used to:

-alchoholic
-beats kids (who grow up to become cops as well)
-cheats on wife
-corrupted (on a continuum from 'turns the other way', accepts 'freebies' from businesses, to fixes tickets, shakes down youths for pot...to straight out dealing)

To my way of seeing the original video...the bartender pushed him first...and should have had more sense.

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#330000 - 04/10/07 10:04 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: harlan]
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Pushing a man who outwieghs you by close to 200 lbs becuase he is drunk and unruly may not be the smartest thing in the world but by no means does it warrant that type of beating. I dont think that should even be a consideration. The guy is a coward and an moron to attack a woman like that, let alone one who is clearly by her size and demeanor no threat to him at all.

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#330001 - 04/10/07 01:57 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: harlan]
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Hey Harlan,

Could it be that the type of cop you described is so noteworthy because the ones that are living a good life and just doing a good job day in and day out don't get the same news time?

Also, I agree with you that it seems there are a lot of cops that do get in one type of trouble or the other.

Here is a sad truth, it's really pretty easy to get a job as a cop, it doesn't take all that much to get the proverbial foot in the door. However, it's really pretty hard to keep that job and make it to the end of the road and actually draw a pension.

There are a lot of ways to get in trouble/get fired as a cop, and I'm not just talking about the type of guy that gets criminal charges filed on him for breaking the law.

Most of those types can only fly under the radar for so long before weeding themselves out....

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#330002 - 05/17/07 08:33 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: hunterkell]
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Update: The cop is pleading NOT GUILTY.

He's actually saying he didn't do it. What a tool.
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#330003 - 05/17/07 08:46 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving him [Re: Zombie Zero]
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Un-friggin-believable. How in the hell can you plead not guilty with a straight face when you have the assault on video?
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#330004 - 05/17/07 09:52 AM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving [Re: MattJ]
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Not only did he cross the line, now he's used his official position to try to cover it up. Ugh!
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#330005 - 12/22/07 07:56 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving [Re: jpoor]
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What was just as disturbing as the this incident is what followed when the cop in question was hauled into court. His fellow officers surrounded him, shoved around reporters, ticketed cars with press stickers, and otherwise did what they could to harass those who wanted to see justice done. Rather than shun this jerk, his fellow officers defended him.

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#330006 - 12/23/07 12:20 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving [Re: fileboy2002]
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Is the original video on youtube or someplace else?
The original link is not there more. Thanks.

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#330007 - 12/23/07 04:25 PM Re: Off-Duty cop pummels bartender for not serving [Re: JAMJTX]
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I found it on youtube in case anyone else comes in late and wants to see it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTRSDAKa1W8

With this on video, he's kind of foolish to go to trial.
His best bet would be to try and plea bargain.

He probably thinks if he can get off, he'll be able to save his job. But that's not going to happen now, especially that the video is public.

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