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#329014 - 03/24/07 12:54 AM Re: Lead Straight: Lets go technical part 6 [Re: Chen Zen]
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Look at the shovel hook. It's basically a tight uppercut, but resembles a hook more because of it's alignment. .

So is the shovel hook a hook, or a uppercut?

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#329015 - 03/24/07 02:20 AM Re: Lead Straight: Lets go technical part 6 [Re: Taison]
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I would say its a modified uppercut, due to the upward thrust. So a modified uppercut would be a hybrid hook?
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#329016 - 03/24/07 12:33 PM Re: Lead Straight: Lets go technical part 6 [Re: Chen Zen]
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its 50% hook 50% uppercut.

if you ask me though, ide call it more of a hook. same for the uppercut, its all just different angled hooks using slightly different mechanicss with the same hooking action in mind.

just like the cross, jab, over hand, they are basicly straight attacks.
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#329017 - 03/24/07 05:05 PM Re: Lead Straight: Lets go technical part 6 [Re: Jer_sm]
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True, its simply the application and intent behind them that make them different
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#329018 - 03/25/07 10:49 AM Re: Lead Straight: Lets go technical part 6 [Re: Jer_sm]
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Oh my god Jer_sm. . .

You actually consider jab, cross and overhand the same attack?!?!?!

Their only similarities is that they travel a straight line. That's it.

But then again, you're quite new to MA, and tend to group things together to make it all easier.

The shovel hook, is NOT 50% hook, 50% uppercut.

The shovel hook is a hook. The reason why? Simple.

It doesn't start from the waist like an uppercut. The angle which it travels is 45 degree towards the target, not 90 degree up like an uppercut. The other thing is that the forearm is 90 degree parallel to the bicep. Basically, the arm is like an inverted L shape when you punch.

So the shovel hook's mechanics is basically a hook, not an upper. It looks like an upper to the un-trained eye.

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its all just different angled hooks using slightly different mechanicss with the same hooking action in mind.


NO! ! Uppercut totally different mechanics. It's like saying straight leads and jabs are the same!!!

Ok, sorry for being grumpy, but I've been absent from the board for a day, so my mouth can't shut today.

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#329019 - 03/25/07 11:22 AM Re: Lead Straight: Lets go technical part 6 [Re: Taison]
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i know they are different mechanics but like im just saying they involve the same like hooking action with the arm. and like jab cross involes extending the arm so its straight. im not really comparing body mechanics.

i dont know. im not really going technical xP
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#329020 - 03/25/07 11:48 AM Re: Lead Straight: Lets go technical part 6 [Re: Jer_sm]
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NO!!!

Quote:

know they are different mechanics but like im just saying they involve the same like hooking action with the arm.




DIFFERENT MECHANICS!!

GO TECHNICAL NOT GENERALIZE TECHNIQUES!!

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#329021 - 03/25/07 11:55 AM Re: Lead Straight: Lets go technical part 6 [Re: Taison]
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its on!
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#329022 - 03/25/07 12:13 PM Re: Lead Straight: Lets go technical part 6 [Re: Jer_sm]
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*bans Jer_sm*

No one talks back to the great Taison. No one.

Who's next?

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#329023 - 03/25/07 01:02 PM Re: Lead Straight: Lets go technical part 6 [Re: Taison]
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that was a low blow.
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