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#328789 - 03/15/07 02:23 AM Koryu Uchinadi clips
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#328790 - 03/15/07 12:57 PM Re: Koryu Uchinadi clips [Re: evad74]
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Looks very much like the Tegumi drills that Mr Mac teaches on his seminars.
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#328791 - 03/15/07 01:44 PM Re: Koryu Uchinadi clips [Re: JohnL]
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referring to the last clip:

is the "flying armbar" really part of the Koryu Uchinadi curriculum?

I'm not too sure on the timeline of this technique but I remember seeing it when the BJJ tournaments began to boom.

Is this a recent "invention" or a "classical" one?
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#328792 - 03/15/07 02:12 PM Re: Koryu Uchinadi clips [Re: Raul Perez]
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Looks like a mix of traditional and some more modern stuff. They looked like sharp demos.
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#328793 - 03/15/07 02:59 PM Re: Koryu Uchinadi clips [Re: evad74]
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#328794 - 03/15/07 07:13 PM Re: Koryu Uchinadi clips [Re: jude33]
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McCarthy Sensei's karate IMO is superb,

His expierience, historical work and ability are of the highest order, if I wasn't so in love with what I do I wouldn't hesitate to train in his system.
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#328795 - 03/15/07 07:57 PM Re: Koryu Uchinadi clips [Re: shoshinkan]
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you and your system should get a room.


Koryu Uchinadi draws mostly from Japanese Budo or Okinawan Te ? looks mostly a draw from Japanese systems, but hard to tell from just a few short clips.


there are some others:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=mccarthysensei


not the same system, but thought this was interesting as well (listed in above link's 'favorites' folder)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOyE6aQ6qKE

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#328796 - 03/15/07 08:38 PM Re: Koryu Uchinadi clips [Re: jude33]
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I've only been training in koryu for about 6 months now, so I'm no authority on the subject but you should find the info your after on their website.

http://www.koryu-uchinadi.com

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#328797 - 03/15/07 08:53 PM Re: Koryu Uchinadi clips [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Quote:

you and your system should get a room.


Koryu Uchinadi draws mostly from Japanese Budo or Okinawan Te ? looks mostly a draw from Japanese systems, but hard to tell from just a few short clips.


there are some others:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=mccarthysensei


not the same system, but thought this was interesting as well (listed in above link's 'favorites' folder)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOyE6aQ6qKE




Well... I don't doubt that McCarthy Sensei has a good take on his version of old style training. From the look of these clips there are a lot of boxing and JJJ principles thrown in.

If you have ever done partner drills in a good Okinawan system you know that they are an amalgam of koteate, change-body and ma-ai training. People have to remember that McCarthy was a shootfigher (A member of Japan Shooto) and he adds a lot of those principles to his Uchinadi Ti.

If Jim's teacher still practices the partner drills he knows what I'm speaking of. McCarthy's take on 2-person drills is a combo of the old and new. This is not like any Okinawan training I've ever been privy to.

That flying armbar was nice BTW and that specific application of it is something I could see myself teaching, but for someone who has done no Catch Wrestling, Judo, JJJ, Sambo or BJJ that would be a completely foreign technique. Even if they were well versed in Tegumi. I would say that Tegumi is much closer to freestyle wrestling than it is to say Judo/JJ with ne-waza (groundfighting).

The problem I have with trying to pass off that stuff as Okinawan "koryu" is that it just is not. That's not to say it isn't hella dope and probably very effective. Most of those training principles just are NOT Ryukyuan MAs waza- in my very limited and humble opinion.

I do like the concepts and style from what I've seen. Much respect to McCarthy Shinshi for trying to make waves and for formulating a very solid system of karate. I wouldn't mind peeping it someday myself, although like Jim I feel that what I've learned from Lindsey Sensei is more in-line with true old-style training. Just my opinion you know.

Happy training!

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#328798 - 03/15/07 10:15 PM Re: Koryu Uchinadi clips [Re: Unsu]
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appreciated your take.

nothing wrong with blending what is crosstrained or picked up thru the years. We are the sum of our experiences.

The thing that would make things more clear when videos are posted, is if they are given a context. What aspect of the training are we looking at? what/who were the major influences? How does it fit into the larger scope of the Art? etc.

Patrick McCarthy's Art does seem really cool. What I'm wondering is if it's mostly based upon blends of Jujitsu, Judo and Aiki economies of movement as oppossed to non-Japanese Arts.

Obviously can't tell from a video, so I ask.

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