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#327992 - 03/12/07 04:10 PM heel hook
leprechaunway Offline
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Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 7
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
During a heel hook, how do you prevent your opponent from rolling their entire body around and loosening the pressure? I'm figure-fouring with my legs, but the more experienced grapplers seem to just go into a kind of gator-roll and take me with them. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

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#327993 - 03/12/07 05:30 PM Re: heel hook [Re: leprechaunway]
Fletch1 Offline
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Loc: Florida
Your instructor should be able to help you with this one. Parallel (Same side) Heel Hook, use your outside/over leg and hook that foot underneath his free leg. He won't be able to roll away or stand up. If he tries, just kick your leg straight and it will sweep him back. He can't roll into the lock or it will damage his knee so he has only one way to turn.

The Cross/ Reverse Heel Hook is a lot harder to roll out of but sometimes a lot harder to get into.

I don't like rolling with heelhooks in play as all my students as well as myself have to go to work for a living. Very easy to get hurt with spiral/ twisting locks.
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#327994 - 03/12/07 07:10 PM Re: heel hook [Re: Fletch1]
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I don't like rolling with heelhooks in play as all my students as well as myself have to go to work for a living. Very easy to get hurt with spiral/ twisting locks.





I am the same way and have even limited the use of "toe holds" in training as well. This isn't mentioned nearly as often as the danger of heel hooks but if anyone has ever heard the LOUD pop of a foot in toe hold and seen the resulting look of absolute fear on the face of the person applying it, you'll all know too well how dangerous this move can be as well.

We'll often fight for position but not finish the move so people can learn to defend the position. Otherwise, I've learned the hard way not to go for these moves on the majority of guys I roll with. Some don't have enough experience to know when they're in danger and some plain just don't know when to tap.


-John

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#327995 - 03/12/07 10:43 PM Re: heel hook [Re: JKogas]
Ed_Morris Offline
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terminology question: are you talking about a heel hook similar as used in an Osoto Gari throw, except entirely locking the leg with your foot? or, are you talking about this in a ground grappling sense? If so, I can't visualize it.

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#327996 - 03/12/07 10:54 PM Re: heel hook [Re: Ed_Morris]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


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Cosidering this is in the grappling section, I personally would assume he meant the ground submission
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#327997 - 03/12/07 11:23 PM Re: heel hook [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
Ed_Morris Offline
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oh thats right, MMA doesn't train a stand-up game.

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#327998 - 03/12/07 11:33 PM Re: heel hook [Re: Ed_Morris]
ExCon Offline
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Registered: 03/02/07
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This is a heel hook.


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#327999 - 03/13/07 12:01 AM Re: heel hook [Re: Ed_Morris]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


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oh thats right, MMA doesn't train a stand-up game.




If you honestly believe that then sure, but otherwise in a forum where ground game is the main focus and the term "heel hook" that also happens to be a common term in MMA circles regarding the technique shown in the pictures might just give things away.
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#328000 - 03/13/07 01:03 AM Re: heel hook [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
Ed_Morris Offline
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picture is 1000 words. thanks.

btw, your condecending tone...is it new? lol

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#328001 - 03/13/07 01:10 AM Re: heel hook [Re: Ed_Morris]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


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If only counting the times when people try to be condecending with me, then no, it's a tool I always keep by my side, along with my limited edition Bruce Lee nunchucks...
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#328002 - 03/13/07 01:11 AM Re: heel hook [Re: Ed_Morris]
ExCon Offline
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Registered: 03/02/07
Posts: 203
Quote:

picture is 1000 words. thanks.




You are welcome.

I know what you mean about hooking for osoto gari. My favorite judo throw is osoto makikomi.


Edited by ExCon (03/13/07 01:13 AM)

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#328003 - 03/13/07 01:57 AM Re: heel hook [Re: ExCon]
leprechaunway Offline
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Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 7
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
thanks everyone. I was talking about a heel hook in a grappling sense, just like what was shown in the picture. I'll work on getting my foot under their other leg. Thanks for the advice!

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#328004 - 03/15/07 12:24 PM Re: heel hook [Re: leprechaunway]
AndrewGreen Offline
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Going off the picture I teach a little different positioning as the first method of doing it.

Take the legs and figure four them from there, right foot into left knee. Then use the left foot to either push out on there other leg, or just hook under it.

This will prevent them from rolling with it as there other leg is tied up, and rolling the other way does damage to them.

It is also a very secure position, so if you can achieve it you can hold it for a while, so it you want you can roll, get the position, and not crank on it without them being able to do much, call that the win.

Heel hooks are pretty versatile and position can vary, I just like the one I described as it is very secure
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#328005 - 03/19/07 11:33 AM Re: heel hook [Re: AndrewGreen]
PaladinV Offline
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Registered: 03/16/07
Posts: 12
Thanks, Mr Green. Could you by any chance post a pic of that one? I would love to see it as this is a problem I've been trying to solve in my game for quite some time.

Thanks
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#328006 - 03/21/07 10:07 AM Re: heel hook [Re: PaladinV]
AndrewGreen Offline
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Quote:

Thanks, Mr Green. Could you by any chance post a pic of that one? I would love to see it as this is a problem I've been trying to solve in my game for quite some time.

Thanks




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#328007 - 03/22/07 06:20 AM Re: heel hook [Re: AndrewGreen]
PaladinV Offline
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Registered: 03/16/07
Posts: 12
Thank you very much sir.
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#328008 - 03/28/07 11:41 PM Re: heel hook [Re: PaladinV]
AndrewGreen Offline
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Posts: 170
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Thank you very much sir.




Don't get ahead of yourself, I forgot to take my camera both days this week. Next week, camera, pictures. That's the plan
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#328009 - 04/02/07 11:26 PM Re: heel hook [Re: AndrewGreen]
AndrewGreen Offline
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#328010 - 04/03/07 12:55 AM Re: heel hook [Re: AndrewGreen]
PaladinV Offline
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Registered: 03/16/07
Posts: 12
Excellent. I'll try it out tommorow. I appreciate it, now that I've seen it I can't believe I didn't think of it haha. Great position.
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#328011 - 04/03/07 10:05 PM Re: heel hook [Re: AndrewGreen]
Fletch1 Offline
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Loc: Florida
Thanks Andrew. Nice work.
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