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#327992 - 03/12/07 04:10 PM heel hook
leprechaunway Offline
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Registered: 05/01/06
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Loc: Minnetonka, MN
During a heel hook, how do you prevent your opponent from rolling their entire body around and loosening the pressure? I'm figure-fouring with my legs, but the more experienced grapplers seem to just go into a kind of gator-roll and take me with them. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

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#327993 - 03/12/07 05:30 PM Re: heel hook [Re: leprechaunway]
Fletch1 Offline
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Registered: 06/21/04
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Your instructor should be able to help you with this one. Parallel (Same side) Heel Hook, use your outside/over leg and hook that foot underneath his free leg. He won't be able to roll away or stand up. If he tries, just kick your leg straight and it will sweep him back. He can't roll into the lock or it will damage his knee so he has only one way to turn.

The Cross/ Reverse Heel Hook is a lot harder to roll out of but sometimes a lot harder to get into.

I don't like rolling with heelhooks in play as all my students as well as myself have to go to work for a living. Very easy to get hurt with spiral/ twisting locks.
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#327994 - 03/12/07 07:10 PM Re: heel hook [Re: Fletch1]
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Quote:


I don't like rolling with heelhooks in play as all my students as well as myself have to go to work for a living. Very easy to get hurt with spiral/ twisting locks.





I am the same way and have even limited the use of "toe holds" in training as well. This isn't mentioned nearly as often as the danger of heel hooks but if anyone has ever heard the LOUD pop of a foot in toe hold and seen the resulting look of absolute fear on the face of the person applying it, you'll all know too well how dangerous this move can be as well.

We'll often fight for position but not finish the move so people can learn to defend the position. Otherwise, I've learned the hard way not to go for these moves on the majority of guys I roll with. Some don't have enough experience to know when they're in danger and some plain just don't know when to tap.


-John

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#327995 - 03/12/07 10:43 PM Re: heel hook [Re: JKogas]
Ed_Morris Offline
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terminology question: are you talking about a heel hook similar as used in an Osoto Gari throw, except entirely locking the leg with your foot? or, are you talking about this in a ground grappling sense? If so, I can't visualize it.

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#327996 - 03/12/07 10:54 PM Re: heel hook [Re: Ed_Morris]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


Registered: 12/09/04
Posts: 1246
Loc: Oxford, England
Cosidering this is in the grappling section, I personally would assume he meant the ground submission
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#327997 - 03/12/07 11:23 PM Re: heel hook [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
Ed_Morris Offline
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oh thats right, MMA doesn't train a stand-up game.

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#327998 - 03/12/07 11:33 PM Re: heel hook [Re: Ed_Morris]
ExCon Offline
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This is a heel hook.


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#327999 - 03/13/07 12:01 AM Re: heel hook [Re: Ed_Morris]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


Registered: 12/09/04
Posts: 1246
Loc: Oxford, England
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oh thats right, MMA doesn't train a stand-up game.




If you honestly believe that then sure, but otherwise in a forum where ground game is the main focus and the term "heel hook" that also happens to be a common term in MMA circles regarding the technique shown in the pictures might just give things away.
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#328000 - 03/13/07 01:03 AM Re: heel hook [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
Ed_Morris Offline
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picture is 1000 words. thanks.

btw, your condecending tone...is it new? lol

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#328001 - 03/13/07 01:10 AM Re: heel hook [Re: Ed_Morris]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


Registered: 12/09/04
Posts: 1246
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If only counting the times when people try to be condecending with me, then no, it's a tool I always keep by my side, along with my limited edition Bruce Lee nunchucks...
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