FightingArts Estore
Pressure Points
From a medical professional, straight facts on where and how to hit that can save your life.
Stretching
Limber or not, anyone can add height and speed to their kicks with this method.
Calligraphy
For yourself or as a gift, calligraphy is special, unique and lasting.
Karate Uniforms
Look your best. Max snap. low cost & superior crafted: “Peak Performance Gold” 16 oz uniforms.

MOTOBU
Classic book translation. Hard to find. Not in stores.
Who's Online
0 registered (), 27 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
SenseiGregT, sagat, JFawkes, pluckysaga39, sgtdemeo
22911 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Dobbersky 5
AndyLA 5
Ed_Morris 4
futsaowingchun 3
ergees 3
September
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30
New Topics
2014 World Championships Chelyabinsk: The Gallery
by ergees
Today at 03:51 AM
Biu Tzu- Snake hand strike
by futsaowingchun
08/27/14 09:02 PM
Chum Kiu 2nd section applications
by futsaowingchun
08/20/14 09:54 PM
2013 World Championship Rio: The Gallery (HD)
by ergees
08/19/14 05:22 AM
Chi Sao demonstration
by futsaowingchun
08/14/14 10:57 PM
Decent Fight channel
by FrankyFruits
08/07/14 09:19 PM
2014 European Championships Cadets Athens: Videos
by ergees
08/07/14 10:00 AM
Life goes on....
by Dobbersky
08/07/14 05:59 AM
An open letter to bunkai researchers...
by Bartfast
08/05/14 04:18 PM
ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate????
by Dobbersky
07/10/14 07:14 AM
Recent Posts
2014 World Championships Chelyabinsk: The Gallery
by ergees
Today at 03:51 AM
** Introduce Yourself! **
by Zombie Zero
08/29/14 10:50 PM
mindfullness meditation
by log1call
08/28/14 02:39 AM
Biu Tzu- Snake hand strike
by futsaowingchun
08/27/14 09:02 PM
An open letter to bunkai researchers...
by Ed_Morris
08/26/14 09:58 PM
The Karate punch
by Ed_Morris
08/26/14 09:27 PM
Chum Kiu 2nd section applications
by futsaowingchun
08/20/14 09:54 PM
2013 World Championship Rio: The Gallery (HD)
by ergees
08/19/14 05:22 AM
attacked from behind
by AndyLA
08/16/14 04:59 PM
ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate????
by VDJ
08/15/14 05:46 PM
Forum Stats
22911 Members
36 Forums
35573 Topics
432484 Posts

Max Online: 424 @ 09/24/13 10:38 PM
Page 3 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >
Topic Options
#325007 - 04/03/07 05:56 PM Re: rotator cuff [Re: trevek]
Kimira Offline
Newbie

Registered: 04/03/07
Posts: 15
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Hello

I have chronic problems with both my left and right rotate cuffs. (Left being the worst). Like you I have numbness and tingling in my arms. As well I have problems with the joint separating/dislocating during some movements or when I apply any pressure on it. Do to the fact that there is nothing to stabilize that joint in either shoulder.

I don’t if this will help you. You should see your doctor before you try any home remedies. I also suggest seeing a physical therapist, but if your like me, and you can’t afford that then I can recommend some websites for advice on how to strengthen that joint.

http://familydoctor.org/265.xml
http://www.bodyresults.com/E2RotatorCuff.asp

Good Luck anywhich way you decide.
_________________________
"Following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been." (Tool)

Top
#325008 - 04/14/07 12:32 PM Re: rotator cuff [Re: trevek]
Sam_Karate Offline
Stranger

Registered: 04/14/07
Posts: 3
I've done my rotator cuff, well just recently found out that's what it is. I have been having shoulder pains for over 4 years now (since a car accident). I've been to a chiro, physio, doctor, have taken lots of anti inflamatories, had it ultrasounded and had tonnes of massage work done on it. They all told me that I had torn or overused my trapezius muscle and it just needed rest.

I stopped all sport for an entire year and there was no change. I saw a different chiro and he was the first to say it was my rotator cuff (and also found out a lot of postural alignment problems with an xray). I haven't had any treatment for nearly a month now and it's going good. I used to be able to only go 4-7 days before I was in a lot of pain again after a treatment.

It's still not fully healed because it's been around for so long, but it's getting there and not interferring anywhere near as much with my physical activity anymore.

Top
#325009 - 04/15/07 11:07 PM Re: rotator cuff [Re: Sam_Karate]
wristtwister Offline
like a chiropractor, only evil

Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2210
Loc: South Carolina
I've got torn rotator cuffs in both shoulders, and there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that they don't heal... they have differing states of "inflamed" and "normal", and both the chiropractor and anti-inflammatories will help, but keeping your arm and shoulder strength up will help most.

My doctor had to also treat me for tendonitis, because the rotator cuff was irritating the tendon down my arm, so he gave me a shot of cordisone in the middle of my back into the tendon sheath. It fixed the problem immediately, and while I still have torn cuffs, I haven't had any trouble with them for several years... just periodic soreness if I do something extraordinary to them... but don't think they'll ever be well (unless you have the surgery done to clean them up). A tear in the cuff is permanent, and all the surgeons can do is "smoothe them up" a bit.

_________________________
What man is a man that does not make the world a better place?... from "Kingdom of Heaven"

Top
#325010 - 04/16/07 03:44 AM Re: rotator cuff [Re: wristtwister]
Cord Offline
Prolific

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
Wrist, rotator cuffs (supra and infra spinatus) are muscles like any other and do heal if the tear is in the muscle tissue. The trouble comes in if as they heal, they are not mobilised and stretched. You actually have to work them lightly as they heal to prevent a build up of scar tissue in the muscle. this scar tissue is fibrous and does not have as much elasticity as regular muscle fibres, and so its existence makes re-injury far more likely when you return to full activity. This then leads to more scar tissue. Poor rehab of these muscles becomes a very viscious circle.
If the tear is in the tendon, or if the muscle is detached (a complete tear near origin or insertion) then reconstructive surgery is available, and they can be re attached and again, with proper rehab, full function can be restored.

As for the scar tissue, it can be reduced by ultra sound therapy, and painfull mobilisation work which intentionaly re-tears the injury in degrees, and then the new range of mobility is maintained as better quality new healing takes place- a bit like re-breaking a nose to set it straight.
Both these aspects of rectification can only be undertaken by a physiotherapist.

no such thing as an unmendable muscle.
_________________________
Don't let the door hit ya' where the good lord split ya'
http://cord.mybrute.com

Top
#325011 - 04/16/07 08:47 AM Re: rotator cuff [Re: Cord]
wiggy Offline
Member

Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 123
Loc: Massachusetts
Good morning injured ones!

Let me repeat. NUMBNESS AND TINGLING DOES NOT NOT NOT NOT COME FROM YOUR SHOULDER!!!!.... I don’t care what the Chiro or Physio or Physician told you….. It is physiologically impossible for a rotator cuff tear/tendonitis/injury to cause numbness and tingling down your arm…. IT IS YOUR NECK!!!!

Rotator cuff tears cause pain in the shoulder which can radiate down the outside of the arm usually to the deltoid but at its worst to the mid arm… Other injuries to the shoulder include an unstable joint which would cause a weak feeling throughout the arm and maybe numbness and tingling throughout the arm but it is because the arm is about to tear out of its socket and you are straining the entire brachial plexus and blood supply, NOT BECAUSE OF THE ROTATOR CUFF TEAR!... Labral tears are a common thing and just causes joint locking…. But the biggest thing with rotator cuff tears is WEAKNESS!

I have treated thousands of tears, joint instabilities, etc… And I have treated thousands of neck injuries… The most common thing I see is that the patient starts to compensate with the neck whether due to postural or accessory muscles when reaching (upper trapezius connects to the cervical vertebrae)… Usually this causes the numbness and tingling. Correct your neck posture and you usually fix the problem of numbness and tingling (this will not fix the torn rotator cuff).

Reading some of these posts make me want to comment on several things:
1 – There are a ton of poorly trained and skilled medical practitioners out there. So be careful.
2 – There are a ton of people out there who are not medically trained but give out medical advice that is worse than if you did nothing at all… This includes websites!... I have known websites to exist that a 14 y.o. put up claiming to be a doctor… There are no checks and balances on the web. So you are on your own.
3 – Common sense makes all the difference in the world. Sit back and THINK of what is going on. Listen to what is said and the theory behind it. Know what the injured body part is supposed to be doing and why it is not doing it…. If you are doing something and you are worse as a result are you better or worse?.... WORSE!!!... You need to do things that are making you feel better as a result (maybe not while it is done… i.e. mobilization of tissue), but afterwards you should feel the same if not better.
4 – Don’t confuse treatments or have several different things going on at once! Two examples, the first being don’t undergo massage therapy and physical therapy because if you are worse or no better it could be because one of them is doing the opposite of what the other is doing… Second, it was stated “I saw a different chiro and he was the first to say it was my rotator cuff (and also found a lot of postural alignment problems…)”… Well who is to say that treatment of the postural problems didn’t fix the complaints? What fixed the problem?... I can treat you for your neck and tell you we are doing scapular stabilization exercises for the shoulder and you wouldn’t know the difference. You would think that it was the shoulder exercises that helped you.

Torn cuffs will heal depending upon where they are torn and how badly they are torn (including the tendon). There is a blood supply but it is poor (anything with blood supply can heal itself)… I don’t know Cord personally but have seen a few of his posts, after seeing his bio I still don’t know how he knows this stuff but he is 100+% right when stating the troubles in healing the rotator cuff…. I will just comment one statement he had. “Mobilization” of soft tissue (a.k.a. “deep friction massage”) will break up the scar tissue that runs in the opposite direction of where the tissue should be running allowing for full expansion and contraction of tendons and muscles with minimal adhesions to other structures/tendons, and while allowing the new scar tissue to replace the tissue that was torn in the proper manner/direction.

Lastly, it depends upon where you live as to who you can see about this problem. I am personally biased as I am a Physical Therapist… You now knowing this can take what you will out of the above and below. However, where I live, Chiropractors CANNOT treat anything but the spine. They limited it in their practice act and are stuck with what they have. If they do treat an extremity and the patient gets injured, both the Chiropractor and Chiropractic board can get sued for failure of the Chiropractor to practice within their scope of practice and the board knowing the Chiros in their area do this on a daily basis and does not do anything about it… But Chiro’s can be a huge help if they studied this problem extensively (not a weekend course in the Bahamas)…. Just know that the joint cannot be “popped” back in as the rotator cuff’s function is to stabilize the joint. Popping the joint adds to instability and it does nothing to the tendons than to irritate them (possibly further tearing them).

Brother Carl
_________________________
"There is no right or wrong way, just a better way"... Soke Robert Murphy

Top
#325012 - 04/16/07 04:03 PM Re: rotator cuff [Re: wiggy]
trevek Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 05/15/05
Posts: 3337
Loc: Poland
Hi Wiggy, thanks for all the info, you and everyone.

I think I mentioned the doc put me on anti-inflams. Well it seemed to clear up and then I developed a pain in my neck (didn't help things showing the kids in the theatre group how to do a neck bridge). Well, that too had almost disappeared when Good friday came and while shaving I got a searing pain right across my back and shoulders. Spent a loads of the weekend resting up but still have a lingering pain in my right shoulder, about 3 inches from the spine (pain also seems to go through to the front!).

Weird. Phoned the doc and he just said to go down to the local casualty for an x-ray cos he's too busy. (haven't had a lotof faith in this guy since he diagnosed a torn achilles tendon without getting me to take my high-leg boots off... and he was wrong!).

New doctor needed, I think.

One question tho', I often relax by lying on the floor to stretch the spine a bit. When I do I feel the vertebraes (I think) click (especially if I have a rolled up towel under me). I can sometimes crack them like some people crack knuckles. I imagine this isn't a good thing? Am I right?
_________________________
See how well I block your punches with my jaw!!

Supporting everyone saying "nuts to cancer"

Top
#325013 - 04/16/07 05:42 PM Re: rotator cuff [Re: trevek]
wiggy Offline
Member

Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 123
Loc: Massachusetts
Hi Trevek,
Sorry to hear of your problems. I thought you said there was a McKenzie therapist you were going to see... Anyhow, when you say it is a pain that goes to the front, you have to be more specific as to its location start to finish.... To answer your question about the vertebraes cracking: I'm supposed to say that if it doesn't hurt when it occurs then you are fine and not to worry. However, fact is we werent born with joint noises and you should try and eliminate/minimize the problem as best as possible. It is just a sign of arthritis, joint instability, tendons popping over each other, cavitation, etc.... any one of the above just means that it is not perfect.... X-rays won't show much. MRI won't show much.... If you are doing better than maybe you should just leave it alone and return to the MA after a week or two of pain-free activities. This way you will allow you body to have "healed" it... Otherwise go see your physio.

Good Luck,
Carl
_________________________
"There is no right or wrong way, just a better way"... Soke Robert Murphy

Top
#325014 - 04/16/07 06:08 PM Re: rotator cuff [Re: wiggy]
Cord Offline
Prolific

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
Quote:

I don’t know Cord personally but have seen a few of his posts, after seeing his bio I still don’t know how he knows this stuff but he is 100+% right when stating the troubles in healing the rotator cuff…




Just to clarify Wiggy, i was a fitness instructor and personal trainer for 10 years, but my principle qualification is in sports therapy. I specialised in rehabilitation (including post op cardiac work), and was part of the GP referal scheme in the UK, I was also sports physio for a minor pro soccer team for a couple of seasons.
_________________________
Don't let the door hit ya' where the good lord split ya'
http://cord.mybrute.com

Top
#325015 - 04/16/07 07:40 PM Re: rotator cuff [Re: Cord]
wiggy Offline
Member

Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 123
Loc: Massachusetts
Cord,

That explains a whole heck of a lot!

Carl
_________________________
"There is no right or wrong way, just a better way"... Soke Robert Murphy

Top
#325016 - 04/16/07 11:55 PM Re: rotator cuff [Re: Cord]
wristtwister Offline
like a chiropractor, only evil

Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2210
Loc: South Carolina
Cord,
I know all that about the rotator cuffs, i.e. the muscle scenario, but my tears are in the attachments at the tendons... not serious enough to do surgery, which would not give me a "better shoulder" on either side, but create a lot of that scar tissue you mentioned.

My doctor, who is excellent, told me that no matter how much therapy and surgery was done to them, that rotator cuffs with my particular injury never did heal with very much success. I may have assumed from that that rotator cuffs in general didn't heal, and it's good to know that people don't have to go through the years of pain I've had with mine.

I do a lot of "cuff" exercises that are specifically designed to help them be less painful, but the end result is that they just don't hurt quite as much if I keep it up. To be located in the shoulder, they're a real pain in the a$$. When mine were first injured, it took me a year to be able to put on a shirt without help. That's not how you spell fun...

_________________________
What man is a man that does not make the world a better place?... from "Kingdom of Heaven"

Top
Page 3 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >


Moderator:  Cord, MattJ, Reiki 




Action Ads
1.5 Million Plus Page Views
Monthly
Only $89
Details

Ryukyu Art
Artifacts from the Ryukyu Kingdom missing since WWII. Visit www.ShisaLion.Org to view pictures

Best Stun Guns
Self Defense Products-stun guns, pepper spray, tasers and more

Surveillance 4U
Complete surveillance systems for covert operations or secure installation security

Asylum Images
Book presents photo tour of the Trans-Allegany Lunatic Asylum. A must if you're going to take a ghost tour!

 



Unbreakable Unbrella

krav maga