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#324581 - 02/26/07 01:35 PM Re: Tech thread part 2 - hand position [Re: AndrewGreen]
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That said, I lean towards the Crane stance from Karate Kid




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#324582 - 02/26/07 01:45 PM Re: Tech thread part 2 - hand position [Re: MattJ]
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Quote by AndrewGreen -

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That said, I lean towards the Crane stance from Karate Kid




LMAO!!! "No can defense!"




That is until the next movie when it can be defended and then they introduce the drum technique.
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#324583 - 02/26/07 03:46 PM Re: Tech thread part 2 - hand position [Re: Chen Zen]
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I think the bet placement is one in, one out about chin height. Strong hand lead.




How far out should the lead hand be? It seems as though extending it too much would lend towards a side-facing stance, rather than a squarer boxer stance. Or is that what you recommend?

A friend of mine teaches to place your palms on the crown and forehead, leaving the elbows forward to guard the face. Tuck the chin and raise the shoulders to protect the neck, and let the abdominal muscles protect themselves.

IIRC, his philosophy was that by hunching forward and tensing the abs, the stomach will appear an open target to bait in the attacker, and that the ab muscles themselves would do a more than adequate job of protecting the stomach.

I suppose if the attacker does go for the stomach, you're already leaned over his attacking limb to grab and counter or takedown.

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#324584 - 02/26/07 05:26 PM Re: Tech thread part 2 - hand position [Re: MattJ]
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Has anyone else noticed that keeping a high guard restricts head/upper body movement somewhat? I feel increased tension in my neck from having to keep the guard up, which makes it harder to keep the head and shoulders mobile.





All rules are made to be broken. When I tell people that they should keep their hands high, this is usually because they don't spend nearly enough hours in sparring to where they can play more of an attribute based game.

Then I will tell them that there's a time and a place for everything. Slipping and other evasive movements ARE easier as you move your hands accordingly.

For example, I'm an orthodox lead fighter. When I slip the jab to the outside, my left hand drops to mid chest. It feels more comfortable and natural doing so.

Nothing wrong with that at all.


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#324585 - 02/26/07 09:45 PM Re: Tech thread part 2 - hand position [Re: sntint]
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Sntint,

To answer your question, Id say about halfway out.

Ive seen many people use the posture you describe. I wouldnt recommend it to everyone. First, if you strike, your hand has farther to travel to the opponent, slowing down your punch. It also has further to travel back, slowing your defense, or second attack. Also, a quick jab or well placed uppercut will get past the elbows and to your head. The third flaw with it, IMO, is the lack of protection on the abs. For your stance to work your abs have to be very strong, most people never achieve that. And perhaps a punch wont always break through, but what about the one that does? The one that catches you as your breathing out, or what happens if they hit you several times, or you take a kick or knee? You see, it leaves to many variables.
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#324586 - 02/27/07 06:44 AM Re: Tech thread part 2 - hand position [Re: AndrewGreen]
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That said, I lean towards the Crane stance from Karate Kid




If we are talking about the feet here, I've also perfected the "Ali Shuffle" which has better visual appeal when done with the hands down than held up.
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#324587 - 02/27/07 09:47 AM Re: Tech thread part 2 - hand position [Re: MattJ]
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I Know I'm a little late on posting this,However some people on this forum believe that sparring in the gym/dojo is the equivalent or same is if fight on the street.

There are times in a SD or whaen the situation calls for it to sidestep/parry,ADvancing your position for a strike & keeping out of hharms way,Thus when I move my hands...My head is also moving.

Also,Why would my hands be in one position?Sure,sometimes it depends In a SD scenario where the hands should be,Or why not try moving your hands rapidly in order to confuse your adversary.
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#324588 - 02/27/07 02:44 PM Re: Tech thread part 2 - hand position [Re: Isshinryukid4life]
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Also,Why would my hands be in one position?Sure,sometimes it depends In a SD scenario where the hands should be,Or why not try moving your hands rapidly in order to confuse your adversary.





You mean like doing the chicken dance?
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#324589 - 03/01/07 12:18 AM Re: Tech thread part 2 - hand position [Re: AndrewGreen]
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My hands are almost always moving, however, that isnt and shouldnt have anything to do with my head. You can slip, bob or sway without dropping your gaurd.
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#324590 - 03/03/07 11:13 AM Re: Tech thread part 2 - hand position [Re: Isshinryukid4life]
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I Know I'm a little late on posting this,However some people on this forum believe that sparring in the gym/dojo is the equivalent or same is if fight on the street.







To whom would you be referring?


Explain the differences and how such differences affect hand/arm placement.



-John

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